From: Duncan Maccubbin (duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Nov 05 2008 - 16:26:44 ARST
I guess my question would be what did they tell you when you called and asked them these questions prior to venting on this list?
-----Original Message-----
>From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2008 1:15 PM
>To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>Cc: John Wayne <john.wayne.ccie@gmail.com>, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy@link.net>, Mohammed Naviwala <monavy@gmail.com>, Atlanta
> CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com>, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>, "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com>, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>, asequeira@internetworkexpert.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>
>But the question was - what changed?
>
>See the problem with NMC was not that they do not allow updates after a
>given period of time...
>
>Of course this might not be a bad thing if they wanted to compete in the
>current market.
>
>However, restricting access to licensed clients is kind of lame.
>
>I'll admit I downloaded the stuff I had access to and I printed it out at
>some point. So I still have access to it.
>
>However, if I'm at a remote site and I need to reference something or a
>given solution that one of their labs might have a good example for...
>
>That aspect is no longer available.
>
>Even the score reports from the CheckITs that we use to benchmark are not
>available anymore.
>
>I took the CCIE Accessor in May or June of 2006. I can still access it
>online.
>
>So...
>
>No biggie...
>
>Maybe we are all spoiled by Narbik, IPExpert, and InternetworkExpert and
>everyone else.
>
>Hah!
>
>So who do you want to buy from?
>
>The people who SUPPORT you or the one(s) who don't?
>
>We all vote... Every dollar is a vote.
>
>If we don't vote for the 360, maybe it will just go away.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Scott Morris <
>smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> Now that part is true. However it's products sold to three different
>> entities at that point. (ARS/ARG (can't remember which)) was before
>> Mentor's ECP-1, so there's longer evolution.
>>
>> New owners = new business motives.
>>
>> Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Darby Weaver [mailto:ccie.weaver@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:40 AM
>> *To:* swm@emanon.com
>> *Cc:* John Wayne; Mohamed El Henawy; Mohammed Naviwala; Atlanta CCIE;
>> Narbik Kocharians; L. Jankok; Brian McGahan;
>> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> *Subject:* Re: IE Announcement
>>
>> Ok - fair enough.
>>
>> But with ECP-1 and ECP-2 and a few other products that look a lot like what
>> NMC-1 and NMC-2 was... the products that were from Mentor... look a lot like
>> NMC...
>>
>> Which means that CCIERS-1 and 2 are ultimately direct descendents of ECP-1
>> and ECP-2...
>>
>> Well that's my theory of evolution.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mentor Technologies didn't quite sever their clients in the same
>>> fashion...
>>> They went bankrupt (chapter 7) and out of business! :)
>>>
>>> The mentality is completely different, and not derived from "genetic"
>>> relationships.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Darby Weaver
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:48 AM
>>> To: John Wayne
>>> Cc: Mohamed El Henawy; Mohammed Naviwala; Atlanta CCIE; Narbik Kocharians;
>>> L. Jankok; Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>
>>> I second that emotion.
>>>
>>> NMC cut all strings with their previous clients.
>>>
>>> Mentor Tech did it before...
>>>
>>> NMC is the Legacy of Mentor Technologies...
>>>
>>>
>>> Cisco 360 is now the grandchild of both!
>>>
>>> Guess which clients will get their cherry popped next!!!!
>>>
>>> It's a business strategy! If you can't beat the competition, cut your
>>> cords
>>> and start over with a new model.
>>>
>>> Love this stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:52 AM, John Wayne <john.wayne.ccie@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > NMC Customers who enjoyed access for years have been KICKED to the
>>> CURB!!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 360 Sucks!!!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It's a new day...
>>> >
>>> > Vote with your training dollars...
>>> >
>>> > 6 month programs that expire.
>>> >
>>> > Lifetime Programs that support your career...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Make the choice...
>>> >
>>> > Time to let vendors know what we think of the 360 Program...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hint: It ain't very good right now... and does not promise to get
>>> better.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy@link.net>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > the same idea came to me......customers will be the victim at the
>>> > > end
>>> > even
>>> > > though IE is really my hero now . the ideas there are just
>>> > > great....god
>>> > be
>>> > > with you guys
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohammed Naviwala"
>>> > > <monavy@gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > > To: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>>> > > Cc: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "L. Jankok" <
>>> > > ljankok@gmail.com>; "Brian McGahan"
>>> > > <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>; <
>>> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:44 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > are IE and cisco at war with ech other?? thats what i thaught after
>>> > > i saw
>>> > >> te
>>> > >> recrdin....
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:05 AM, Atlanta CCIE
>>> > >> <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> http://www.ccietalk.com/2008/10/30/internetwork-expert-ccie-20 for
>>> > folks
>>> > >>> who
>>> > >>> missed it
>>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>>> > >>> <narbikk@gmail.com
>>> > >>> >wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > > Great, I am viewing :)
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > > The recording can be viewed here:
>>> > >>> > > > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Thanks!
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>> > >>> > > > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > >>> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>> <http://www.internetworkexp
>>> > >>> > > > ert.com/>
>>> > <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>> > >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> > <
>>> > >>> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705 Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > L. Jankok wrote:
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
>>> <
>>> > >>> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing.
>>> We
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >>> > will
>>> > >>> be
>>> > >>> > > sure
>>> > >>> > > > to make the recording available to all very soon.
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Warmest regards,
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>> > >>> > > > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>> > >>> > > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>> > >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> > <
>>> > >>> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>> > >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> > <
>>> > >>> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>> > >>> > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>> > > > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>> > >>> > > > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
>>> > >>> > > > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen
>>> went
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >>> > blank
>>> > >>> > so
>>> > >>> > > I
>>> > >>> > > > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
>>> > >>> > > > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
>>> > >>> atlantaccie@gmail.com
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be
>>> > posted
>>> > >>> lol
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
>>> > >>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > wrote:
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >>> event.
>>> > >>> > > > I have to wait un
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <
>>> apdccie@gmail.com
>>> > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within minutes
>>> > >>> anyway.
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi > > > <
>>> > >>> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>> > >>> <
>>> > >>> > > mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com>
>>> <
>>> > >>> > > murserver@me.com>
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > wrote:
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > log-in with your standard classroom account
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Hello,
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i join
>>> i
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > didnt
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > get
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > > any link?
>>> > >>> > > >
>>> > >>> > > >
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