From: Troy F. (ccie17k@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 05 2008 - 16:40:15 ARST
Darby,
>"NMC cut all strings with their previous clients."
>"NetMasterClass dumped all their old customers cold"
Man, I do not know what you are talking about: THIS IS NOT TRUE AT ALL!
They did change their web site, but I can still login and access their
products from the login on their main page:
http://www.netmasterclass.com(right hand side)
In the portal I still have access to all of my VODs and DOiT 2 + a couple of
CHECKiT labs that I plan to schedule within the next month.
That is true that they stopped selling their classic products like DOiT or
CHECKiT, and replaced it with the pricy Cisco 360 stuff, but it's their
right as a business, don't you think?
I have been to their class this summer, and, knowing Val and Bruce
personally, I hate to hear someone badmouth them the way you do. IMHO, you
owe them an apology.
Troy
On 11/5/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually... InternetworkExpert did and still does to be honest. And
> apparently will from now on as well.
>
> I've had an account with them for at least 3-4 years longer than with NMC
> and still ahve access to both the old and the new.
>
> Last time I checked for a class at NMC, I was told the courseware had
> changed drastically. This was from early 2006 to late 2007.
>
> However, the major changes were not quite so drastic.
>
> Most of the 20 Workbook labs were not complete even as late as prior to the
> most recent accouncement.
>
> And the addition mostly added 2 more switches to the existing labs.
>
> I guess that was the major change that meant old customers would not even
> be
> given another class at discount rates.
>
> However, I purchased the Frame Relay VOD even more recent than that... and
> it is gone too.
>
> Speaking with others they've lost their access too.
>
> I guess this is ok for the materials completed 2+ years ago.
> Since I think the letter of the contract stated: 6 months access anyway.
>
> No biggie, I was no using them too much as witnessed by my login history.
>
> But the fact that all materials old and newer purchases are arbitrarily
> removed is not good.
>
>
> How do they expect to compete with the "Gray Vendors"?
>
>
> The saddest fact is that Cisco and NMC seemed to expect that all the other
> vendors would simply sell their materials and just pack up shop and "go
> with
> the flow".
>
> But sole proprietors are "sole proprietors" for many reasons...
>
> Mostly because of the independence factors and self-satisfaction gained by
> that status.
>
>
> Now it seems that many if not all gray vendors who offer good if not better
> in some respects of materials are not "toeing the line"...
>
> I think the 360 needs to be 360-ized...
>
> If Cisco is going to offer a program that is truly a complete program...
> then they needed a vendor to model who had a complete program.
>
> As it stands, NMC is more of a finishing school. It lacked in my opinion a
> CCNP-CCIE Gap that is crucial for a CCIE Candidate's success.
>
> As a finishing school NMC is outstanding. But in order to deal with the
> labs that are a bit complex in terms of intricacy and interwoven, one needs
> to have a complete control of the underlying layers.
>
> Typically this was assumed and expected that a student would get this
> outside of the program.
>
> That's what I'm saying.
>
> Now the VODs if completed may cover this gap? However, there are other
> programs that cost a lot less that do a great job of covering the
> gap. Some
> Video and some not.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > They are servicing a different sector of the market now. Take a quick
> look
> > at their current price structure which effectively excludes many
> candidates
> > from even buying a single product especially those candidates in
> developing
> > countries. To exclude these candidates NMC likely believes that there
> will
> > be another sector of the market which they will now service. Whether NMC
> > chose to do this because they could not compete in the current market or
> > for
> > some other business reason is not something I care to understand as I
> can't
> > afford their products now. :)
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Duncan Maccubbin <
> > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "NMC Customers who enjoyed access for years have been KICKED to the
> > > CURB!!!"
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, who else gave years of access to their stuff?
> > >
> > > Darby,
> > >
> > > I sincerely hope this comment isn't aimed at NMC:
> > >
> > > "If you can't beat the competition, cut your cords and start over with
> a
> > > new model."
> > >
> > > Although it seems your tone is. You took their classes and came on
> this
> > > forum and said how great they are. You took your first NMC class in
> > January
> > > '06 and you have had almost three years of access to their stuff. Now
> you
> > > are complaining about it?
> > >
> > > I don't claim to know the nuts and bolts behind the 360 program or why
> > NMC
> > > chose to go with it. I do know they are smart guys with a successful
> > > business and I think they thought this out. I, for one, am in no
> position
> > to
> > > judge them.
> > >
> > > They certainly helped me greatly in attaining my CCIE.
> > >
> > > Duncan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> > > >Sent: Nov 5, 2008 8:48 AM
> > > >To: John Wayne <john.wayne.ccie@gmail.com>
> > > >Cc: Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy@link.net>, Mohammed Naviwala <
> > > monavy@gmail.com>, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com>, Narbik
> > > > Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com>, "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com>,
> > Brian
> > > McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>,
> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > >Subject: Re: IE Announcement
> > > >
> > > >I second that emotion.
> > > >
> > > >NMC cut all strings with their previous clients.
> > > >
> > > >Mentor Tech did it before...
> > > >
> > > >NMC is the Legacy of Mentor Technologies...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Cisco 360 is now the grandchild of both!
> > > >
> > > >Guess which clients will get their cherry popped next!!!!
> > > >
> > > >It's a business strategy! If you can't beat the competition, cut your
> > > cords
> > > >and start over with a new model.
> > > >
> > > >Love this stuff.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 6:52 AM, John Wayne <john.wayne.ccie@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> NMC Customers who enjoyed access for years have been KICKED to the
> > > CURB!!!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 360 Sucks!!!!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> It's a new day...
> > > >>
> > > >> Vote with your training dollars...
> > > >>
> > > >> 6 month programs that expire.
> > > >>
> > > >> Lifetime Programs that support your career...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Make the choice...
> > > >>
> > > >> Time to let vendors know what we think of the 360 Program...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hint: It ain't very good right now... and does not promise to get
> > > better.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Mohamed El Henawy <
> m.henawy@link.net>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > the same idea came to me......customers will be the victim at the
> > end
> > > >> even
> > > >> > though IE is really my hero now . the ideas there are just
> > > great....god
> > > >> be
> > > >> > with you guys
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohammed Naviwala" <
> > > monavy@gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> > To: "Atlanta CCIE" <atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> > > >> > Cc: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "L. Jankok" <
> > > >> > ljankok@gmail.com>; "Brian McGahan" <
> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>;
> > > <
> > > >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >> > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:44 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > are IE and cisco at war with ech other?? thats what i thaught
> after
> > i
> > > saw
> > > >> >> te
> > > >> >> recrdin....
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:05 AM, Atlanta CCIE <
> > atlantaccie@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> http://www.ccietalk.com/2008/10/30/internetwork-expert-ccie-20for
> > > >> folks
> > > >> >>> who
> > > >> >>> missed it
> > > >> >>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
> > > narbikk@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> >wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <
> ljankok@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> > > Great, I am viewing :)
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > > The recording can be viewed here:
> > > >> >>> > > > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > More info will be posted on the details of the updates
> soon.
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Thanks!
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > > >> >>> > > > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >> >>> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > <
> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> > > >> >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> > <
> > > >> >>> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> > > >> >>> > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > L. Jankok wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira <
> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
> > > <
> > > >> >>> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live
> viewing.
> > > We >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > will
> > > >> >>> be
> > > >> >>> > > sure
> > > >> >>> > > > to make the recording available to all very soon.
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Warmest regards,
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> > > >> >>> > > > Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > >> >>> > > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >> >>> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > <
> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> > > >> >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> > <
> > > >> >>> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> > > >> >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> > <
> > > >> >>> > > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > >> >>> > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >>> > > > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
> > > >> >>> > > > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen
> > > went >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > blank
> > > >> >>> > so
> > > >> >>> > > I
> > > >> >>> > > > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
> > > >> >>> > > > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
> > > >> >>> atlantaccie@gmail.com
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > I was not able to login either. Says recording will
> be
> > > >> posted
> > > >> >>> lol
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
> > > >> >>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for
> > the
> > > > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> event.
> > > >> >>> > > > I have to wait un
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <
> > > apdccie@gmail.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within
> > minutes
> > > >> >>> anyway.
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi > > > <
> > > >> >>> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> <
> > > >> >>> > > mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <
> > murserver@me.com>
> > > <
> > > >> >>> > > murserver@me.com>
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > log-in with your standard classroom account
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Hello,
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i
> > join
> > > i
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > didnt
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > get
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > any link?
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > > >
> > > >> >>> > >
> > > >> >>>
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> > > >> >>> > > > ----- End of original message -----
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> > > >> >>> > --
> > > >> >>> > Narbik Kocharians
> > > >> >>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > > >> >>> > www.MicronicsTraining
> > > >> >>> > www.Net-Workbooks.com <http://www.net-workbooks.com/> <
> > http://www.net-workbooks.com/> <
> > > >> http://www.net-workbooks.com/> <
> > > >> >>> http://www.net-workbooks.com/>
> > > >> >>> > Sr. Technical Instructor
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> > > >> >> --
> > > >> >> Best Regards
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Mohammed Abdul Razzaq
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> If you are not small enough to loose, you are not big enough to
> > win..
> > > >> >>
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