From: Jonathan Greenwood II (gwood83@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 04 2008 - 20:07:27 ARST
Lets talk about all the LOOPHOLES in the Bush Tax Policy. Under Clinton's
Tax Policy that Obama wants to go back to he created over 22million jobs and
handed the torch over with a Positive Surplus. Get educated before you
speak on Tax Policys. Clearly the one we have has failed and we are left to
pay off close to a 10 Trillion deficit.
http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm
- The Bush tax cuts have contributed to revenues dropping in 2004 to the
lowest level as a share of the economy since 1950, and have been a major
contributor to the dramatic shift from large projected budget surpluses to
projected deficits as far as the eye can see.
- The tax cuts have conferred the most benefits, by far, on the
highest-income households those least in need of additional resources
at
a time when income already is exceptionally concentrated at the top of the
income spectrum.
- The design of these tax cuts was ill-conceived, resulting in
significantly less economic stimulus than could have been accomplished for
the same budgetary cost. In part because the tax cuts were not as
effective
as alternative measures would have been, job creation during this recovery
has been notably worse than in any other recovery since the end of World
War
II.
I'm done for the day.
Jonathan
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:56 PM, kelly <kelly@cliffhanger.com> wrote:
> Jonathan Greenwood II said ...
>
> Nobody wants socialism and I think nobody
> wants the government to do for them. But
> when you have Failed policys for the past
> 8yrs
>
> Which policies have failed?
>
> that give the biggest tax breaks to
> company's
>
> Companies pay a lot in taxes. The USA has the
> 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. Why
> do you say they get "the biggest tax breaks"?
>
> When that tax rate was reduced, yes, they got a
> tax break. If you're paying ...oh let's just say
> 10 billion in taxes and, then the tax break brings
> that down to 7 billion ...one could say, hey,
> they got a 3 billion tax break! That's huge. But
> they're still paying 7 billion on taxes.
>
> These figures are for illustation, I don't claim
> they are accurate in any way. However, I think
> Exxon paid $30 Billion in taxes for 2007.
> http://seekingalpha.com/article/63131-exxon-s-2007-tax-bill-30-billion
>
> who ship jobs oversees
>
> Maybe they're looking for the cheaper corporate
> taxes in other countries? Maybe if the USA
> reduced the corporate and captial gains taxes,
> they wouldn't be so willing to "ship jobs
> overseas".
>
> then what do you expect for entire
> communitys across several parts of this
> nation who have lost their jobs when
> plants/factorys close down.
>
> The Democrats favorite strategy. Hope and pray
> the people will not understand, it was their
> increased taxes and protection trade practices
> that forced the jobs to go away. Then blame the
> "big companies".
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quoting Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83@gmail.com>:
> Nobody wants socialism and I think nobody wants the government to do
> for
> them. But when you have Failed policys for the past 8yrs that give
> the
> biggest tax breaks to company's who ship jobs oversees then what do
> you
> expect for entire communitys across several parts of this nation who
> have
> lost their jobs when plants/factorys close down.
>
> Government plays a role with its Policy's along with Wallstreet and
> CEO's
> of some of the largest companys in regulating a healthy US Economy.
>
> Greed is the reason why most CEO's ship their operations overseas.
> I'm all
> for free trade but there has to be some sort of regulation that
> protects
> american workers. The Rich keep getting richer and those not as
> fortunate continue to loose JOBS that are being shipped overseas.
> The line
> has to be drawn somewhere to Protect American Workers.
>
> As a contractor I've been amazed how over the past few years the
> explosion with Major F500 companys in our own Field of networking
> exploiting
> foreigners to come here and Work on their Visa for low wages just
> because
> they know they can get away with it. My 2cents
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Matt Bentley <
> mattdbentley@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I am afraid it is the disassociation of intelligence *from
> *politics that
> > has placed us in our current situation. Socialism is disdained by
> > Americans
> > because it embodies the breeding ground for tyranny our Founding
> Fathers
> > worked to avoid - at one time our public school system taught
> respect for
> > those men. Socialism infers that instead of providing for
> yourself, you
> > are
> > provided for. We have drifted towards a socialistic economic
> model because
> > the moral principles upon which freedom and truth stand are being
> blown
> > apart - with thunderous applause from the majority of Americans.
> For the
> > government to attempt to fix the symptoms of these problems is
> like using
> > cheese cloth to patch a sinking ship. At one time, there was a
> man who
> > understood this. If you don't recognize the following quote,
> please turn
> > in
> > your social-security card at the voting booth (providing you have
> one of
> > course - though I'm told this doesn't matter so much any more).
> >
> > "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political
> prosperity,
> > religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would
> that man
> > claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these
> great
> > pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of
> men and
> > citizens."
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Joseph Brunner <
> joe@affirmedsystems.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Let's not forget that a Republican President from Texas was the
> first to
> > > hire 2 African Americans for his two of his most senior white
> house
> > > positions.
> > >
> > > (Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor
> > Condoleezza
> > > Rice)
> > >
> > > As an employer, I can tell you number one way you can show your
> respect
> > for
> > > someone is to give them a job. Period.
> > >
> > > For all his talk of being "the first Black President" what did
> Clinton do
> > > (other than put his office on 125th street in Harlem after he
> left the
> > > white
> > > house)
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf Of
> > > kelly
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:30 PM
> > > To: darth router
> > > Cc: Sadiq Yakasai; Hyunseog Ryu; Larry Letterman (lletterm);
> Roman
> > > Rodichev;
> > > Cisco certification
> > > Subject: Re: OT RE: Networkers for Obama
> > >
> > > Darth Router said ...
> > >
> > > At least with Texans, the world
> > > "socialism" in this campain
> > > really means I hate black
> > > people ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Speaking as a Texan, the statement made
> > > by Darth Router is untrue. I do not
> > > believe the majority of people in Texas
> > > feel as he has described. I know I do
> > > not.
> > >
> > > Yes, there is still prejudice in Texas
> > > as well as the rest of the world.
> > > Unfortunately, it will always be. We
> > > can only hope the trend of those who
> > > feel that way, continue to dwindle.
> > > But, making statements like that does
> > > not help it to continue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Quoting darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>:
> > > Ya, socialism and wealth redistribution was started
> through
> > taxation
> > > back in
> > > 1912. Going on forever.
> > >
> > > At least with Texans, the world "socialism" in this
> campain really
> > > means I
> > > hate black people ;)
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Sadiq Yakasai <
> > sadiqtanko@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Obama or not, redistribution of wealth happens in the
> US right
> > > now!
> > > >
> > > > how do you explain socials??? how do you explain the
> millions
> > that
> > > get
> > > > treated in hospitals in case of A&E who cant later pay
> the
> > bills?
> > > why is it
> > > > a problem when someone wants to *legalize* this?
> > > >
> > > > and for the "joe the plumbers" out there, how do u save
> enough
> > in
> > > the first
> > > > place to be rich enough to even buy the business?
> > > >
> > > > Mccain has done much for ur country, but if i cld vote,
> i would
> > > vote Obama!
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > >
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