Re: OT RE: Networkers for Obama

From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 04 2008 - 20:11:55 ARST

I heard that Bush's brother will be running with H. Clinton as VP.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83@gmail.com>wrote:

> Lets talk about all the LOOPHOLES in the Bush Tax Policy. Under Clinton's
> Tax Policy that Obama wants to go back to he created over 22million jobs
> and
> handed the torch over with a Positive Surplus. Get educated before you
> speak on Tax Policys. Clearly the one we have has failed and we are left
> to
> pay off close to a 10 Trillion deficit.
>
> http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm
>
>
> - The Bush tax cuts have contributed to revenues dropping in 2004 to the
> lowest level as a share of the economy since 1950, and have been a major
> contributor to the dramatic shift from large projected budget surpluses
> to
> projected deficits as far as the eye can see.
>
>
> - The tax cuts have conferred the most benefits, by far, on the
> highest-income households those least in need of additional resources
> at
> a time when income already is exceptionally concentrated at the top of
> the
> income spectrum.
>
>
> - The design of these tax cuts was ill-conceived, resulting in
> significantly less economic stimulus than could have been accomplished
> for
> the same budgetary cost. In part because the tax cuts were not as
> effective
> as alternative measures would have been, job creation during this
> recovery
> has been notably worse than in any other recovery since the end of World
> War
> II.
>
> I'm done for the day.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:56 PM, kelly <kelly@cliffhanger.com> wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Greenwood II said ...
> >
> > Nobody wants socialism and I think nobody
> > wants the government to do for them. But
> > when you have Failed policys for the past
> > 8yrs
> >
> > Which policies have failed?
> >
> > that give the biggest tax breaks to
> > company's
> >
> > Companies pay a lot in taxes. The USA has the
> > 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. Why
> > do you say they get "the biggest tax breaks"?
> >
> > When that tax rate was reduced, yes, they got a
> > tax break. If you're paying ...oh let's just say
> > 10 billion in taxes and, then the tax break brings
> > that down to 7 billion ...one could say, hey,
> > they got a 3 billion tax break! That's huge. But
> > they're still paying 7 billion on taxes.
> >
> > These figures are for illustation, I don't claim
> > they are accurate in any way. However, I think
> > Exxon paid $30 Billion in taxes for 2007.
> > http://seekingalpha.com/article/63131-exxon-s-2007-tax-bill-30-billion
> >
> > who ship jobs oversees
> >
> > Maybe they're looking for the cheaper corporate
> > taxes in other countries? Maybe if the USA
> > reduced the corporate and captial gains taxes,
> > they wouldn't be so willing to "ship jobs
> > overseas".
> >
> > then what do you expect for entire
> > communitys across several parts of this
> > nation who have lost their jobs when
> > plants/factorys close down.
> >
> > The Democrats favorite strategy. Hope and pray
> > the people will not understand, it was their
> > increased taxes and protection trade practices
> > that forced the jobs to go away. Then blame the
> > "big companies".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Quoting Jonathan Greenwood II <gwood83@gmail.com>:
> > Nobody wants socialism and I think nobody wants the government to
> do
> > for
> > them. But when you have Failed policys for the past 8yrs that
> give
> > the
> > biggest tax breaks to company's who ship jobs oversees then what
> do
> > you
> > expect for entire communitys across several parts of this nation
> who
> > have
> > lost their jobs when plants/factorys close down.
> >
> > Government plays a role with its Policy's along with Wallstreet
> and
> > CEO's
> > of some of the largest companys in regulating a healthy US
> Economy.
> >
> > Greed is the reason why most CEO's ship their operations overseas.
> > I'm all
> > for free trade but there has to be some sort of regulation that
> > protects
> > american workers. The Rich keep getting richer and those not as
> > fortunate continue to loose JOBS that are being shipped overseas.
> > The line
> > has to be drawn somewhere to Protect American Workers.
> >
> > As a contractor I've been amazed how over the past few years the
> > explosion with Major F500 companys in our own Field of networking
> > exploiting
> > foreigners to come here and Work on their Visa for low wages just
> > because
> > they know they can get away with it. My 2cents
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Matt Bentley <
> > mattdbentley@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I am afraid it is the disassociation of intelligence *from
> > *politics that
> > > has placed us in our current situation. Socialism is disdained
> by
> > > Americans
> > > because it embodies the breeding ground for tyranny our Founding
> > Fathers
> > > worked to avoid - at one time our public school system taught
> > respect for
> > > those men. Socialism infers that instead of providing for
> > yourself, you
> > > are
> > > provided for. We have drifted towards a socialistic economic
> > model because
> > > the moral principles upon which freedom and truth stand are
> being
> > blown
> > > apart - with thunderous applause from the majority of Americans.
> > For the
> > > government to attempt to fix the symptoms of these problems is
> > like using
> > > cheese cloth to patch a sinking ship. At one time, there was a
> > man who
> > > understood this. If you don't recognize the following quote,
> > please turn
> > > in
> > > your social-security card at the voting booth (providing you
> have
> > one of
> > > course - though I'm told this doesn't matter so much any more).
> > >
> > > "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political
> > prosperity,
> > > religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would
> > that man
> > > claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert
> these
> > great
> > > pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of
> > men and
> > > citizens."
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Joseph Brunner <
> > joe@affirmedsystems.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let's not forget that a Republican President from Texas was
> the
> > first to
> > > > hire 2 African Americans for his two of his most senior white
> > house
> > > > positions.
> > > >
> > > > (Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor
> > > Condoleezza
> > > > Rice)
> > > >
> > > > As an employer, I can tell you number one way you can show
> your
> > respect
> > > for
> > > > someone is to give them a job. Period.
> > > >
> > > > For all his talk of being "the first Black President" what did
> > Clinton do
> > > > (other than put his office on 125th street in Harlem after he
> > left the
> > > > white
> > > > house)
> > > >
> > > > -Joe
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > > kelly
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:30 PM
> > > > To: darth router
> > > > Cc: Sadiq Yakasai; Hyunseog Ryu; Larry Letterman (lletterm);
> > Roman
> > > > Rodichev;
> > > > Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: Re: OT RE: Networkers for Obama
> > > >
> > > > Darth Router said ...
> > > >
> > > > At least with Texans, the world
> > > > "socialism" in this campain
> > > > really means I hate black
> > > > people ;)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Speaking as a Texan, the statement made
> > > > by Darth Router is untrue. I do not
> > > > believe the majority of people in Texas
> > > > feel as he has described. I know I do
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there is still prejudice in Texas
> > > > as well as the rest of the world.
> > > > Unfortunately, it will always be. We
> > > > can only hope the trend of those who
> > > > feel that way, continue to dwindle.
> > > > But, making statements like that does
> > > > not help it to continue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Quoting darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>:
> > > > Ya, socialism and wealth redistribution was started
> > through
> > > taxation
> > > > back in
> > > > 1912. Going on forever.
> > > >
> > > > At least with Texans, the world "socialism" in this
> > campain really
> > > > means I
> > > > hate black people ;)
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Sadiq Yakasai <
> > > sadiqtanko@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Obama or not, redistribution of wealth happens in the
> > US right
> > > > now!
> > > > >
> > > > > how do you explain socials??? how do you explain the
> > millions
> > > that
> > > > get
> > > > > treated in hospitals in case of A&E who cant later
> pay
> > the
> > > bills?
> > > > why is it
> > > > > a problem when someone wants to *legalize* this?
> > > > >
> > > > > and for the "joe the plumbers" out there, how do u
> save
> > enough
> > > in
> > > > the first
> > > > > place to be rich enough to even buy the business?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mccain has done much for ur country, but if i cld
> vote,
> > i would
> > > > vote Obama!
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
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