From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2008 - 19:17:13 ARST
Well said Josh. The CCIE is really a just an "awakening" and realizing that
we are only scratching the surface in a wide variety of technologies. I
don't think I'd be happy if I had to stop in any of my own directions.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, josh lauer <jslauer@hotmail.com> wrote:
> For me the CCIE is the ticket to bigger and greater things, and I don't
> mean money. It allowed me the freedom to experiment more and gave me a voice
> on many different panels and other things that allowed me to interject my
> ideas and thoughts. When I got the number I knew that it didn't stop there,
> certainly more to accomplish. These days I'm more of a manager than an
> engineer, I don't get to play with the equipment near as much as I would
> like. About the only "playing" I get these days is in my home lab studying
> (occasionally) for my SP IE. That said, I have managed to take some classes
> on the CRS-1 and other SP type classes which is going to really help me in a
> few years. In short, the IE was just the ticket for more studying. I can
> stomach the thought of having 2 IE's but having more is certainly beyond
> what I have the time and energy to accomplish and I think at this point it
> would not be worth the investment in time/money to do so but that's just me.
>
> Josh
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:55 PM
> To: "Han Solo" <emaillists@me.com>
> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>
>
> Nothing beats *good* experience, in my experience. That said an alliance of
>> good experience and the CCIE gives you the best of both worlds. How that mix
>> pans out though, that's really down to the individual. Granted the CCIE
>> does not tick all the boxes you have listed there but it isn't designed to.
>> It provides a structured approach to deeper understanding of the how and the
>> why and should enable the practitioner to come to the table with more
>> capabilities and options for consideration concerning networking matters and
>> possibilities. More so than someone solely tuned into what they have around
>> them because it's a full time job running infrastructure and keeping up with
>> what you have to work with there. The vaunted CCDE might tick somemore of
>> those boxes, at least in the sense that some metrics are in place to help
>> ensure what is designed meets objectives as opposed to simply designing
>> something because you can. No comment on that as I haven't looked into yet.
>> In anycase that track is still very young so the jury is out. The experience
>> of practioners, customers and stakeholders will determine it's effectiveness
>> in real terms. No certificate covers everything.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Solo" <emaillists@me.com>
>> To: "Gary Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
>> Cc: "Digital Yemeni" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification" <
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>
>>
>> Any network I have worked on that had 5 Time CCIE Teachers working on it
>>> was way off , way overly complicated , and no consideration for the
>>> operators of the network. Folks that have 4+ ccie's albeight , they are
>>> dedicated indivuduals , but they are theorists whom spend 70% of there time
>>> in lab's and have no concept of change control and IT operations. They want
>>> your money and that is it , when you stop giving them money they stop
>>> talking.. Certifications are great to provide a structured approach to
>>> follow to learn a defined skillset , but it does not mean you are a network
>>> engineer because you have 5 CCIE's .. The best way is to work in the field
>>> , build networks , deal with the politics of "People" not the technology...
>>> Most often it is not the technology that is causing the problem it is the
>>> Communication of the people operating the network , that is the real skill
>>> . The best training you will ever get is go get a job at a large hospital
>>> or school , granted your not going to make the big bucks but you will
>>> learn real quick about communications , the business and the technology is
>>> typically last it is nothing more than a tool to support the business.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Gary Duncanson wrote:
>>>
>>> The vendors I know have plenty of experience to go around. I can vouch
>>>> for that and have over eleven years in. I would happily work along side
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Gary
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Yemeni" <
>>>> digital.yemeni@gmail.com
>>>> >
>>>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:14 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>>>> Don't believe the bullshit in the presentation.
>>>>> The number of kits comment is complete crap
>>>>> Nothing against Cisco? WTF!
>>>>> Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>>>> !
>>>>> !
>>>>> !
>>>>> !
>>>>> Sandra,
>>>>> !
>>>>> Well said, WELL SAID.
>>>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> what is this?! Professionalism? for a moment I thought we are in a fish
>>>>> market supported by "multiple-CCIEs" not a professional mailing list!
>>>>> Even if everything "YOU" do is for money, there is something important
>>>>> to
>>>>> know which is how you get that money!! Certainly not by showning your
>>>>> bad
>>>>> attitude and attacks to others "who by the way NEVER attack you namely
>>>>> or
>>>>> personally". If you don't like what they say or what they do, you are
>>>>> not
>>>>> obliged to listen to it! you are not asked to give your opinion!!
>>>>> worse, you
>>>>> not even allowed to show you wonderful attitdue not because you can't
>>>>> but
>>>>> because you must behave like a human before being a "professional
>>>>> person in
>>>>> a professional mailing list!!"
>>>>> |
>>>>> Good nights professionals!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM, L Pham <ccie17030@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> He he: we must be in election year ;-))))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember: the bottom line is what is in it for ME.
>>>>>> Loc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sandra Davis <sandradvs61@gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the
>>>>>> program. IE
>>>>>> > applied to be a part of the program
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
>>>>>> > requirements.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can
>>>>>> give away
>>>>>> > training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver
>>>>>> Cisco CCIE
>>>>>> > classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
>>>>>> > presentation.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer
>>>>>> a kit
>>>>>> > requirement.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $
>>>>>> you > are
>>>>>> > doing?! Come on!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco
>>>>>> equipment
>>>>>> > because you offer Cisco grey market
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > training.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360 >
>>>>>> offering
>>>>>> > with current products.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study
>>>>>> material
>>>>>> > to make sure the student has the proper
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > knowledge prior to entering a class.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for
>>>>>> actual
>>>>>> > learning!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer
>>>>>> Success
>>>>>> > Managers. Great proof reading!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes
>>>>>> must > suck.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams
>>>>>> the > hell
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> > of mailing lists!!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are
>>>>>> IN the
>>>>>> real
>>>>>> > world! They all do nothing but teach.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA,
>>>>>> they > should
>>>>>> > look into a different line of work.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!! CRAP!!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
>>>>>> > To: L. Jankok
>>>>>> > Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>>>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Great, I am viewing :)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > The recording can be viewed here:
>>>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Thanks!
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>>>>> >> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>>>>>> ><
>>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > L. Jankok wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira
>>>>>> <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> <
>>>>>> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing.
>>>>>> We will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> >> sure
>>>>>> >> > to make the recording available to all very soon.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Warmest regards,
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>>>>> >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>>>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>>>>>> ><
>>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> >> >> <
>>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
>>>>>> >> > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen
>>>>>> went >> > blank
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>> >> > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
>>>>>> >> > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
>>>>>> atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be
>>>>>> posted
>>>>>> lol
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
>>>>>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the
>>>>>> event.
>>>>>> >> > I have to wait un
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <apdccie@gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within
>>>>>> minutes >> > anyway.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi >> > <
>>>>>> mousawi.ali@gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> >> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > > > > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com> <
>>>>>> >> murserver@me.com>
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > log-in with your standard classroom account
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Hello,
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i
>>>>>> join i
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > didnt
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > get
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > any link?
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> >
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