From: Hobbs (deadheadblues@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2008 - 23:48:05 ARST
Dude, you were a sports photographer? Why are you doing this? I can't work a
digital camera worth a damn. All my pictures come out fuzzy.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> wrote:
> And I'm sure there are many who would have no problem with that at all.
>
> Just wondering whether the fact that I'm a journalism/photojournalism major
> in college and that I used to work as a sports photographer will work for
> or
> against me. :)
>
> Nothing worth hiding though.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Kelvin Yeo
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:44 AM
> To: Han Solo; Gary Duncanson
> Cc: Digital Yemeni; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: IE Announcement
>
> Maybe we should welcome all vendors' instructors to post their real ground
> experience prior to their teaching career?
>
> Rdgs,
> Yeo
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Han Solo <emaillists@me.com>
> Sent: 03 November 2008 12:01 AM
> To: Gary Duncanson <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
> Cc: Digital Yemeni <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>; Cisco certification
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>
> Any network I have worked on that had 5 Time CCIE Teachers working on it
> was
> way off , way overly complicated , and no consideration for the operators
> of
> the network. Folks that have 4+ ccie's albeight , they are dedicated
> indivuduals , but they are theorists whom spend 70% of there time in lab's
> and have no concept of change control and IT operations. They want your
> money and that is it , when you stop giving them money they stop talking..
> Certifications are great to provide a structured approach to follow to
> learn
> a defined skillset , but it does not mean you are a network engineer
> because
> you have 5 CCIE's ..
> The best way is to work in the field , build networks , deal with the
> politics of "People" not the technology... Most often it is not the
> technology that is causing the problem it is the Communication of the
> people
> operating the network , that is the real skill . The best training you will
> ever get is go get a job at a large hospital or school , granted your not
> going to make the big bucks but you will learn real quick about
> communications , the business and the technology is typically last it is
> nothing more than a tool to support the business.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Gary Duncanson wrote:
>
> > The vendors I know have plenty of experience to go around. I can
> > vouch for that and have over eleven years in. I would happily work
> > along side them.
> >
> > Regards
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Yemeni"
> > <digital.yemeni@gmail.com
> > >
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
> >
> >
> >> IE's announcement - complete bullshit Don't believe the bullshit in
> >> the presentation.
> >> The number of kits comment is complete crap Nothing against Cisco?
> >> WTF!
> >> Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
> >> !
> >> !
> >> !
> >> !
> >> Sandra,
> >> !
> >> Well said, WELL SAID.
> >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> what is this?! Professionalism? for a moment I thought we are in a
> >> fish market supported by "multiple-CCIEs" not a professional mailing
> >> list!
> >> Even if everything "YOU" do is for money, there is something
> >> important to know which is how you get that money!! Certainly not by
> >> showning your bad attitude and attacks to others "who by the way
> >> NEVER attack you namely or personally". If you don't like what they
> >> say or what they do, you are not obliged to listen to it! you are not
> >> asked to give your opinion!!
> >> worse, you
> >> not even allowed to show you wonderful attitdue not because you can't
> >> but because you must behave like a human before being a "professional
> >> person in a professional mailing list!!"
> >> |
> >> Good nights professionals!
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM, L Pham <ccie17030@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> He he: we must be in election year ;-))))
> >>>
> >>> Remember: the bottom line is what is in it for ME.
> >>> Loc
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sandra Davis
> >>> <sandradvs61@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > IE's announcement - complete bullshit
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the
> >>> program. IE
> >>> > applied to be a part of the program
> >>> >
> >>> > under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
> >>> > requirements.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can
> >>> give away
> >>> > training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver
> >>> Cisco CCIE
> >>> > classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
> >>> >
> >>> > So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
> >>> > presentation.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer
> >>> a kit
> >>> > requirement.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $
> >>> you > are
> >>> > doing?! Come on!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco
> >>> equipment
> >>> > because you offer Cisco grey market
> >>> >
> >>> > training.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360
> >>> > offering with current products.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study
> >>> material
> >>> > to make sure the student has the proper
> >>> >
> >>> > knowledge prior to entering a class.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for
> >>> actual
> >>> > learning!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer
> >>> Success
> >>> > Managers. Great proof reading!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes
> >>> must > suck.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams
> >>> the > hell
> >>> out
> >>> > of mailing lists!!!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are
> >>> IN the
> >>> real
> >>> > world! They all do nothing but teach.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA,
> >>> they > should
> >>> > look into a different line of work.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!! CRAP!!!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>> > Narbik Kocharians
> >>> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
> >>> > To: L. Jankok
> >>> > Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> >>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
> >>> >
> >>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Great, I am viewing :)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > The recording can be viewed here:
> >>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Thanks!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> >>> >> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>> >> > .com/
> >>> ><
> >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> >>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
> >>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > L. Jankok wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira
> >>> <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> <
> >>> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing.
> >>> We will
> >>> be
> >>> >> sure
> >>> >> > to make the recording available to all very soon.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Warmest regards,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE
> >>> >> > Instructor asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >>> >> > .com/
> >>> ><
> >>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
> >>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> >>
> >>> >> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
> >>> >
> >>> <
> >>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
> >>> >> > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen
> >>> went >> > blank
> >>> so
> >>> >> I
> >>> >> > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting is already
> >>> >> > in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
> >>> atlantaccie@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be
> >>> posted
> >>> lol
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
> >>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the
> >>> event.
> >>> >> > I have to wait un
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com>
> >>> >> > <apdccie@gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within
> >>> minutes >> > anyway.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi
> >>> >> > <mousawi.ali@gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> <
> >>> >> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > > > wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com> <
> >>> >> murserver@me.com>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=fa
> >>> >> > lse
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > log-in with your standard classroom account
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Hello,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i
> >>> join i
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > didnt
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > get
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > any link?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
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> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
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> >>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) www.MicronicsTraining
> >>> > www.Net-Workbooks.com <http://www.net-workbooks.com/> Sr.
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