From: josh lauer (jslauer@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2008 - 16:21:21 ARST
For me the CCIE is the ticket to bigger and greater things, and I don't mean
money. It allowed me the freedom to experiment more and gave me a voice on
many different panels and other things that allowed me to interject my ideas
and thoughts. When I got the number I knew that it didn't stop there,
certainly more to accomplish. These days I'm more of a manager than an
engineer, I don't get to play with the equipment near as much as I would
like. About the only "playing" I get these days is in my home lab studying
(occasionally) for my SP IE. That said, I have managed to take some classes
on the CRS-1 and other SP type classes which is going to really help me in a
few years. In short, the IE was just the ticket for more studying. I can
stomach the thought of having 2 IE's but having more is certainly beyond
what I have the time and energy to accomplish and I think at this point it
would not be worth the investment in time/money to do so but that's just me.
Josh
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From: "Gary Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 12:55 PM
To: "Han Solo" <emaillists@me.com>
Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: IE Announcement
> Nothing beats *good* experience, in my experience. That said an alliance
> of good experience and the CCIE gives you the best of both worlds. How
> that mix pans out though, that's really down to the individual. Granted
> the CCIE does not tick all the boxes you have listed there but it isn't
> designed to. It provides a structured approach to deeper understanding of
> the how and the why and should enable the practitioner to come to the
> table with more capabilities and options for consideration concerning
> networking matters and possibilities. More so than someone solely tuned
> into what they have around them because it's a full time job running
> infrastructure and keeping up with what you have to work with there. The
> vaunted CCDE might tick somemore of those boxes, at least in the sense
> that some metrics are in place to help ensure what is designed meets
> objectives as opposed to simply designing something because you can. No
> comment on that as I haven't looked into yet. In anycase that track is
> still very young so the jury is out. The experience of practioners,
> customers and stakeholders will determine it's effectiveness in real
> terms. No certificate covers everything.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Han Solo" <emaillists@me.com>
> To: "Gary Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
> Cc: "Digital Yemeni" <digital.yemeni@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>
>
>> Any network I have worked on that had 5 Time CCIE Teachers working on it
>> was way off , way overly complicated , and no consideration for the
>> operators of the network. Folks that have 4+ ccie's albeight , they are
>> dedicated indivuduals , but they are theorists whom spend 70% of there
>> time in lab's and have no concept of change control and IT operations.
>> They want your money and that is it , when you stop giving them money
>> they stop talking.. Certifications are great to provide a structured
>> approach to follow to learn a defined skillset , but it does not mean
>> you are a network engineer because you have 5 CCIE's .. The best way is
>> to work in the field , build networks , deal with the politics of
>> "People" not the technology... Most often it is not the technology that
>> is causing the problem it is the Communication of the people operating
>> the network , that is the real skill . The best training you will ever
>> get is go get a job at a large hospital or school , granted your not
>> going to make the big bucks but you will learn real quick about
>> communications , the business and the technology is typically last it is
>> nothing more than a tool to support the business.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Gary Duncanson wrote:
>>
>>> The vendors I know have plenty of experience to go around. I can vouch
>>> for that and have over eleven years in. I would happily work along side
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gary
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Digital Yemeni"
>>> <digital.yemeni@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>
>>>
>>>> IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>>> Don't believe the bullshit in the presentation.
>>>> The number of kits comment is complete crap
>>>> Nothing against Cisco? WTF!
>>>> Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>>> !
>>>> !
>>>> !
>>>> !
>>>> Sandra,
>>>> !
>>>> Well said, WELL SAID.
>>>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> what is this?! Professionalism? for a moment I thought we are in a
>>>> fish
>>>> market supported by "multiple-CCIEs" not a professional mailing list!
>>>> Even if everything "YOU" do is for money, there is something important
>>>> to
>>>> know which is how you get that money!! Certainly not by showning your
>>>> bad
>>>> attitude and attacks to others "who by the way NEVER attack you namely
>>>> or
>>>> personally". If you don't like what they say or what they do, you are
>>>> not
>>>> obliged to listen to it! you are not asked to give your opinion!!
>>>> worse, you
>>>> not even allowed to show you wonderful attitdue not because you can't
>>>> but
>>>> because you must behave like a human before being a "professional
>>>> person in
>>>> a professional mailing list!!"
>>>> |
>>>> Good nights professionals!
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 6:50 PM, L Pham <ccie17030@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He he: we must be in election year ;-))))
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember: the bottom line is what is in it for ME.
>>>>> Loc
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Sandra Davis <sandradvs61@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > IE's announcement - complete bullshit
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Internetwork Expert was not "selected" to be a part of the
>>>>> program. IE
>>>>> > applied to be a part of the program
>>>>> >
>>>>> > under tech 2000. THEY LOST the RFP!!! Plain and simple.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, a CLP can offer training in multiple markets if they meet the
>>>>> > requirements.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Investment protection? Scholarship program? Hell yes, you can
>>>>> give away
>>>>> > training, you just have to pay cisco for the royalties.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The TRUTH is that IE would have to pay royalties to deliver
>>>>> Cisco CCIE
>>>>> > classes and pay royalties for workbooks.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So, YES, this IS about money! Don't believe the bullshit in the
>>>>> > presentation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The number of kits comment is complete crap. There is no longer
>>>>> a kit
>>>>> > requirement.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Don't want to flaunt out in public?! Then why mention how much $
>>>>> you > are
>>>>> > doing?! Come on!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Nothing against Cisco? WTF! Of course you have to have Cisco
>>>>> equipment
>>>>> > because you offer Cisco grey market
>>>>> >
>>>>> > training.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Scrapping products? UNTRUE! You can "compliment" the current 360
>>>>> > offering
>>>>> > with current products.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lower level certification classes you can develop pre-class study
>>>>> material
>>>>> > to make sure the student has the proper
>>>>> >
>>>>> > knowledge prior to entering a class.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > IE is suggesting shortcuts for becoming a CCIE. No concern for
>>>>> actual
>>>>> > learning!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Nice slide! "Customer Success Manages" was supposed to be Customer
>>>>> Success
>>>>> > Managers. Great proof reading!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If classes are as bad as this presentation, then their classes
>>>>> must > suck.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mailing list issues? IE is one of the biggest issues that spams
>>>>> the > hell
>>>>> out
>>>>> > of mailing lists!!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Customer blogs vendor neutral? My ass!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Real world examples? Yeah, right. NONE of the IE instructors are
>>>>> IN the
>>>>> real
>>>>> > world! They all do nothing but teach.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > CCNA in 6 months? If it takes someone 6 months to get a CCNA,
>>>>> they > should
>>>>> > look into a different line of work.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This was basically ONE BIG F*N INFOMMERCIAL!!!! CRAP!!!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:55 PM
>>>>> > To: L. Jankok
>>>>> > Cc: Brian McGahan; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>>>>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>> > Subject: Re: IE Announcement
>>>>> >
>>>>> > unbelievable.....Unbelievable
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM, L. Jankok <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Great, I am viewing :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2008/10/30 Brian McGahan <bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > The recording can be viewed here:
>>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/p95047727/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > More info will be posted on the details of the updates soon.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Thanks!
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
>>>>> >> > bmcgahan@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>> ><
>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 x 705
>>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344 x 705
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > L. Jankok wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I am viewing Diego now, together with my 3 year old son :D
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Anthony Sequeira
>>>>> <asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> <
>>>>> >> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > So sorry you experienced a problem with your live viewing.
>>>>> We will
>>>>> be
>>>>> >> sure
>>>>> >> > to make the recording available to all very soon.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Warmest regards,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>>>> >> > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>>>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>> >> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>> ><
>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> <
>>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/> >>
>>>>> >> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/
>>>>> >
>>>>> <
>>>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>> >> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> > From: "L. Jankok" <ljankok@gmail.com> <ljankok@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> > Sent: Thu, October 30, 2008 12:55
>>>>> >> > Subject:Re: IE Announcement
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Well... I was in watching the presentation, than my screen
>>>>> went >> > blank
>>>>> so
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> > hitted F5 and got a page telling me that the meeting
>>>>> >> > is already in progress.. pretty dissapointing :(
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie@gmail.com> <
>>>>> atlantaccie@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I was not able to login either. Says recording will be
>>>>> posted
>>>>> lol
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Mike Leske <
>>>>> mike.leske@googlemail.com
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I already got a mail stating that two many registered for the
>>>>> event.
>>>>> >> > I have to wait un
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > 2008/10/30 Andrew Dempsey <apdccie@gmail.com> <apdccie@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Pretty sure the news will hit this list within
>>>>> minutes >> > anyway.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ali Mousawi
>>>>> >> > <mousawi.ali@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> <
>>>>> >> mousawi.ali@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > > > > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > it seems no place for non IE customers :(
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Rick Mur <murserver@me.com> <
>>>>> >> murserver@me.com>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Don't know if I break some NDA for it but:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > http://ieclass.internetworkexpert.com/announcement/?launcher=false
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > log-in with your standard classroom account
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On 30 okt 2008, at 18:46, Ali Mousawi wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Hello,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Is the announcment in 15 mins? I signed up but how will i
>>>>> join i
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > didnt
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > get
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > any link?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> > ----- End of original message -----
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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