From: Gary Duncanson (garyduncanson@btinternet.com)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 10:49:48 ART
Yes.
Albert Spaulding and his company ARS Ltd. Mentioned in the acknowledgments
of Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs. Paul Borghese get's a mention
also. You can buy this book used on Amazon these days for the price of a
happy meal. Still a good book and infinitely more digestible and better
value for money.
I think the nice lady from England you mentioned may have been Ruth
Wainwright who was on the list last year. I wonder how she got on after her
first attempt.
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From: "Luan Nguyen" <luan@netcraftsmen.net>
To: "'Scott Morris'" <swm@emanon.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'"
<garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
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> ARS Limited wasn't it? Not ARG? My wife used to work there.
> When I took the NMC's bootcamp, there was 2 Cisco folks there I believe.
> There was also a nice English lady who came over from England for both I
> and
> II classes.
> I bet Scott still keep good contact/relationship with the ex-Mentor's
> folks
> :)
>
> Luan Nguyen
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> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
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>
> Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.... :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:garyduncanson@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:34 AM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: Cisco certification
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>
> You used to teach for Mentor didn't you Scott? I still have Caslows book
> although it's in bits these days. Anything by Bruce and Val is worth
> looking
> over.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
> To: "'Wes Stevens'" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
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>
>
>> Absolutely. No doubt about it. Before that, it was ECP-1 at Mentor
>> Technologies. Before that it was some class at ARG, or in other words...
>> Follow Bruce's history. :)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Wes
>> Stevens
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:14 PM
>> To: swm@emanon.com; Darby Weaver
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> They may today but 6 years ago they did not. There were not a lot of
>> choices
>> at the time.....
>>
>> I know that the couple of cisco folks that I met said that at the time
>> NMC
>> was the only choice they had.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>
>> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Darby Weaver
>> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:41:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> Cisco has people in most vendor's bootcamps on a regular basis. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Wes
>> Stevens
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:10 PM
>> To: Darby Weaver
>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> No big surprise that Cisco picked NMC. They have always taken the high
>> road
>> on training. Their training was always focused on really teaching you the
>> technology - not how to pass the lab. Learn the technology well and the
>> lab
>> will follow. I know Cisco used to send their own people there on a
>> regular
>> basis.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00:18 PM
>> Subject: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> NetworkWorld has announced that Cisco will soon unveil its CCIE training
>> program <http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33978> for the
>> Routing
>> and Switching track. It looks like it will be called the "Cisco 360
>> Learning Program for CCIE - Routing and Switching".
>>
>> *Cisco Tuesday rolled out Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE - Routing
>> and
>> Switching, a six-month program that incorporates e-learning and hands-on
>> practice labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The program is
>> designed
>> to run head-on against third-party boot camps, which Cisco says are not
>> up
>> to par(you'll be able to read more about Cisco's thoughts on this in
>> Network
>> World's IT Careers & Training newsletter on Wednesday). The program will
>> be
>> made available through select authorized Cisco Learning Partners and
>> consist
>> of pre-assessments, six online classes covering topics such as IPv6, QoS,
>> Frame Relay, Border Gateway Protocol and switching, instructor-led
>> workshops, practice labs and mentoring. The courses start at $5,000 but
>> can
>> reach to double-digits for the mentorship features.*
>>
>> **
>>
>> Basically here's the skinny:
>>
>> There was a competiton or bid of sorts between the major vendors.
>>
>> It seems NMC won the bid. Maybe others but we'll see in a few days. As
>> of
>> now just NMC that I am aware of.
>>
>> The training program will be based on the NMC-1 Advanced CCIE 1-Week
>> Class
>> currently offered by NMC.
>>
>> The pre-assessments are similar to NMC's per-technology quick exams -
>> currently less than 15Q each as I recall - correct me it's been a while
>> since I tried one.
>>
>> The pre-assessment will be similar to the CCIE Accessor or the Day-1 Lab
>> given by NMC on the first day of class.
>>
>> The online classes will likely mimick and/or mirror the NMC Video on
>> Demand,
>> which consequently in some cases are quite "exactly" similar to the NMC
>> Tech
>> Library which is quite "exactly" similar to the NMC-1 one-week CCIE
>> Bootcamp. This material is nearly word-for-word verbatim to the class as
>> I
>> recall.
>>
>> The practice labs will likely be very much the CheckIT Labs with the
>> CheckIT
>> grading system.
>>
>> Anyone from back in the day who used Mentor Technologies VLabs will
>> recall
>> the format and layout.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can still by the Tech Library for $149.00 it is probably the best
>> deal going since you get the material that this system will be based on.
>>
>> With all of this said:
>>
>> NMC's approach to tackling a lab is perhaps the most scientific and well
>> thought-out and planned in the industry. I think few will contest this.
>> Caslow coined the term "The Golden Moment".
>>
>> The CheckIT Lab Grading System is probably among the best grading and
>> feedback system in the business.
>>
>> The knowledge level of the NMC Team is enormous and easily one of the
>> best
>> "Brainshares" in the business and every vendor without exception respects
>> NMC above all their other competition.
>>
>> The scientific method that they employee is freely available for viewing
>> and
>> really tells the story of how to approach the lab in a very clear and
>> concise manner.
>>
>>
>>
>> What else can I tell you? Wait and see if I'm right or wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I'm not sure that at $5000.00 to $20,000.00 for mentorships it
>> will
>> be able to beat InternetworkExpert End-to-End CCIE Learning Program,
>> IPExperts Blended Learning Solution for the CCIE, or Narbik's $2000.00
>> "Till
>> You Pass" limited time offer.
>>
>> And there are others.
>>
>> Also while the team at NMC is quite superior in terms of sheer knowledge
>> and
>> presentation, I would be curious to see if this knowledge can be scaled
>> to
>> the level that such an announcement might presume.
>>
>>
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