From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 12:34:47 ART
These classes are ONLY offered through SKYLINE-ATS, Globalknowledge, Fast
Lane and CTT and some of the SOs that are claiming that they can offer the
class is incorrect, they have to go through their CLSP, and ONLY so many
instructors are allowed to teach this class, and as of now there are 8 of
them.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Gary Duncanson <
garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Yes.
>
> Albert Spaulding and his company ARS Ltd. Mentioned in the acknowledgments
> of Bridges, Routers and Switches for CCIEs. Paul Borghese get's a mention
> also. You can buy this book used on Amazon these days for the price of a
> happy meal. Still a good book and infinitely more digestible and better
> value for money.
>
> I think the nice lady from England you mentioned may have been Ruth
> Wainwright who was on the list last year. I wonder how she got on after her
> first attempt.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luan Nguyen" <luan@netcraftsmen.net>
> To: "'Scott Morris'" <swm@emanon.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'" <
> garyduncanson@btinternet.com>
> Cc: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:21 PM
>
> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
>
> ARS Limited wasn't it? Not ARG? My wife used to work there.
>> When I took the NMC's bootcamp, there was 2 Cisco folks there I believe.
>> There was also a nice English lady who came over from England for both I
>> and
>> II classes.
>> I bet Scott still keep good contact/relationship with the ex-Mentor's
>> folks
>> :)
>>
>> Luan Nguyen
>> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
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>> Personal Blog: http://ccie-security.blogspot.com/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:01 AM
>> To: 'Gary Duncanson'
>> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.... :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:garyduncanson@btinternet.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:34 AM
>> To: Scott Morris
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>> You used to teach for Mentor didn't you Scott? I still have Caslows book
>> although it's in bits these days. Anything by Bruce and Val is worth
>> looking
>> over.
>>
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
>> To: "'Wes Stevens'" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
>> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:36 AM
>> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>
>>
>> Absolutely. No doubt about it. Before that, it was ECP-1 at Mentor
>>> Technologies. Before that it was some class at ARG, or in other words...
>>> Follow Bruce's history. :)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Wes
>>> Stevens
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:14 PM
>>> To: swm@emanon.com; Darby Weaver
>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>>
>>> They may today but 6 years ago they did not. There were not a lot of
>>> choices
>>> at the time.....
>>>
>>> I know that the couple of cisco folks that I met said that at the time
>>> NMC
>>> was the only choice they had.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>
>>> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Darby Weaver
>>> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:41:07 PM
>>> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>>
>>> Cisco has people in most vendor's bootcamps on a regular basis. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Wes
>>> Stevens
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:10 PM
>>> To: Darby Weaver
>>> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>>
>>> No big surprise that Cisco picked NMC. They have always taken the high
>>> road
>>> on training. Their training was always focused on really teaching you the
>>> technology - not how to pass the lab. Learn the technology well and the
>>> lab
>>> will follow. I know Cisco used to send their own people there on a
>>> regular
>>> basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00:18 PM
>>> Subject: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>>>
>>> NetworkWorld has announced that Cisco will soon unveil its CCIE training
>>> program <http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33978> for the
>>> Routing
>>> and Switching track. It looks like it will be called the "Cisco 360
>>> Learning Program for CCIE - Routing and Switching".
>>>
>>> *Cisco Tuesday rolled out Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE - Routing
>>> and
>>> Switching, a six-month program that incorporates e-learning and hands-on
>>> practice labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The program is
>>> designed
>>> to run head-on against third-party boot camps, which Cisco says are not
>>> up
>>> to par(you'll be able to read more about Cisco's thoughts on this in
>>> Network
>>> World's IT Careers & Training newsletter on Wednesday). The program will
>>> be
>>> made available through select authorized Cisco Learning Partners and
>>> consist
>>> of pre-assessments, six online classes covering topics such as IPv6, QoS,
>>> Frame Relay, Border Gateway Protocol and switching, instructor-led
>>> workshops, practice labs and mentoring. The courses start at $5,000 but
>>> can
>>> reach to double-digits for the mentorship features.*
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Basically here's the skinny:
>>>
>>> There was a competiton or bid of sorts between the major vendors.
>>>
>>> It seems NMC won the bid. Maybe others but we'll see in a few days. As
>>> of
>>> now just NMC that I am aware of.
>>>
>>> The training program will be based on the NMC-1 Advanced CCIE 1-Week
>>> Class
>>> currently offered by NMC.
>>>
>>> The pre-assessments are similar to NMC's per-technology quick exams -
>>> currently less than 15Q each as I recall - correct me it's been a while
>>> since I tried one.
>>>
>>> The pre-assessment will be similar to the CCIE Accessor or the Day-1 Lab
>>> given by NMC on the first day of class.
>>>
>>> The online classes will likely mimick and/or mirror the NMC Video on
>>> Demand,
>>> which consequently in some cases are quite "exactly" similar to the NMC
>>> Tech
>>> Library which is quite "exactly" similar to the NMC-1 one-week CCIE
>>> Bootcamp. This material is nearly word-for-word verbatim to the class as
>>> I
>>> recall.
>>>
>>> The practice labs will likely be very much the CheckIT Labs with the
>>> CheckIT
>>> grading system.
>>>
>>> Anyone from back in the day who used Mentor Technologies VLabs will
>>> recall
>>> the format and layout.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you can still by the Tech Library for $149.00 it is probably the best
>>> deal going since you get the material that this system will be based on.
>>>
>>> With all of this said:
>>>
>>> NMC's approach to tackling a lab is perhaps the most scientific and well
>>> thought-out and planned in the industry. I think few will contest this.
>>> Caslow coined the term "The Golden Moment".
>>>
>>> The CheckIT Lab Grading System is probably among the best grading and
>>> feedback system in the business.
>>>
>>> The knowledge level of the NMC Team is enormous and easily one of the
>>> best
>>> "Brainshares" in the business and every vendor without exception respects
>>> NMC above all their other competition.
>>>
>>> The scientific method that they employee is freely available for viewing
>>> and
>>> really tells the story of how to approach the lab in a very clear and
>>> concise manner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What else can I tell you? Wait and see if I'm right or wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, I'm not sure that at $5000.00 to $20,000.00 for mentorships it
>>> will
>>> be able to beat InternetworkExpert End-to-End CCIE Learning Program,
>>> IPExperts Blended Learning Solution for the CCIE, or Narbik's $2000.00
>>> "Till
>>> You Pass" limited time offer.
>>>
>>> And there are others.
>>>
>>> Also while the team at NMC is quite superior in terms of sheer knowledge
>>> and
>>> presentation, I would be curious to see if this knowledge can be scaled
>>> to
>>> the level that such an announcement might presume.
>>>
>>>
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