From: Luan Nguyen (luan@netcraftsmen.net)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 10:21:45 ART
ARS Limited wasn't it? Not ARG? My wife used to work there.
When I took the NMC's bootcamp, there was 2 Cisco folks there I believe.
There was also a nice English lady who came over from England for both I and
II classes.
I bet Scott still keep good contact/relationship with the ex-Mentor's folks
:)
Luan Nguyen
Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
www.NetCraftsmen.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:01 AM
To: 'Gary Duncanson'
Cc: 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.... :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:garyduncanson@btinternet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:34 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
You used to teach for Mentor didn't you Scott? I still have Caslows book
although it's in bits these days. Anything by Bruce and Val is worth looking
over.
Gary
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From: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>
To: "'Wes Stevens'" <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
<ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:36 AM
Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
> Absolutely. No doubt about it. Before that, it was ECP-1 at Mentor
> Technologies. Before that it was some class at ARG, or in other words...
> Follow Bruce's history. :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Wes
> Stevens
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:14 PM
> To: swm@emanon.com; Darby Weaver
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> They may today but 6 years ago they did not. There were not a lot of
> choices
> at the time.....
>
> I know that the couple of cisco folks that I met said that at the time NMC
> was the only choice they had.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com>
> To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:41:07 PM
> Subject: RE: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> Cisco has people in most vendor's bootcamps on a regular basis. :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Wes
> Stevens
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:10 PM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> No big surprise that Cisco picked NMC. They have always taken the high
> road
> on training. Their training was always focused on really teaching you the
> technology - not how to pass the lab. Learn the technology well and the
> lab
> will follow. I know Cisco used to send their own people there on a regular
> basis.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:00:18 PM
> Subject: FYI - Pre-News on the Upcoming CCIE Lab Changes
>
> NetworkWorld has announced that Cisco will soon unveil its CCIE training
> program <http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33978> for the Routing
> and Switching track. It looks like it will be called the "Cisco 360
> Learning Program for CCIE - Routing and Switching".
>
> *Cisco Tuesday rolled out Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE - Routing
> and
> Switching, a six-month program that incorporates e-learning and hands-on
> practice labs to accelerate expert-level competency. The program is
> designed
> to run head-on against third-party boot camps, which Cisco says are not up
> to par(you'll be able to read more about Cisco's thoughts on this in
> Network
> World's IT Careers & Training newsletter on Wednesday). The program will
> be
> made available through select authorized Cisco Learning Partners and
> consist
> of pre-assessments, six online classes covering topics such as IPv6, QoS,
> Frame Relay, Border Gateway Protocol and switching, instructor-led
> workshops, practice labs and mentoring. The courses start at $5,000 but
> can
> reach to double-digits for the mentorship features.*
>
> **
>
> Basically here's the skinny:
>
> There was a competiton or bid of sorts between the major vendors.
>
> It seems NMC won the bid. Maybe others but we'll see in a few days. As
> of
> now just NMC that I am aware of.
>
> The training program will be based on the NMC-1 Advanced CCIE 1-Week Class
> currently offered by NMC.
>
> The pre-assessments are similar to NMC's per-technology quick exams -
> currently less than 15Q each as I recall - correct me it's been a while
> since I tried one.
>
> The pre-assessment will be similar to the CCIE Accessor or the Day-1 Lab
> given by NMC on the first day of class.
>
> The online classes will likely mimick and/or mirror the NMC Video on
> Demand,
> which consequently in some cases are quite "exactly" similar to the NMC
> Tech
> Library which is quite "exactly" similar to the NMC-1 one-week CCIE
> Bootcamp. This material is nearly word-for-word verbatim to the class as
> I
> recall.
>
> The practice labs will likely be very much the CheckIT Labs with the
> CheckIT
> grading system.
>
> Anyone from back in the day who used Mentor Technologies VLabs will recall
> the format and layout.
>
>
>
> If you can still by the Tech Library for $149.00 it is probably the best
> deal going since you get the material that this system will be based on.
>
> With all of this said:
>
> NMC's approach to tackling a lab is perhaps the most scientific and well
> thought-out and planned in the industry. I think few will contest this.
> Caslow coined the term "The Golden Moment".
>
> The CheckIT Lab Grading System is probably among the best grading and
> feedback system in the business.
>
> The knowledge level of the NMC Team is enormous and easily one of the best
> "Brainshares" in the business and every vendor without exception respects
> NMC above all their other competition.
>
> The scientific method that they employee is freely available for viewing
> and
> really tells the story of how to approach the lab in a very clear and
> concise manner.
>
>
>
> What else can I tell you? Wait and see if I'm right or wrong?
>
>
>
> However, I'm not sure that at $5000.00 to $20,000.00 for mentorships it
> will
> be able to beat InternetworkExpert End-to-End CCIE Learning Program,
> IPExperts Blended Learning Solution for the CCIE, or Narbik's $2000.00
> "Till
> You Pass" limited time offer.
>
> And there are others.
>
> Also while the team at NMC is quite superior in terms of sheer knowledge
> and
> presentation, I would be curious to see if this knowledge can be scaled to
> the level that such an announcement might presume.
>
>
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