From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 - 15:08:57 ART
Jimmy to be fair to the two guys I know (Scott and Narbik) and to be fair to
the one I don't (J.P.):
1. Both of these guys have a vested interest in making timely comments, even
when they do not really have much to add at the time - aka name-brand
recognition.
2. This list is not only broadcasted to a select market share, it is also
copied by others and can be found in its orginal form and from other sites
too - so that market-share is magnified somewhat.
3. If you dislike the guy so much why bother replying to him at all?
Well... I got other things to tend to at the moment.
This really has gone on too long.
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Jimmy Palmer <jimsbait@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are even defensive about being defensive. Point made. You continue to
> act like a spoiled little kid. I would have though getting kicked off the
> island would have helped to change your attitude. Listen to Narbik:
>
> "But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath and
> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@internetworkexpert.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:17 AM
> To: jimsbait@gmail.com; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> Oh yeah (sorry, that "defensive" part of further explanation coming in
> again), the blog post was for a specific question on where to look at
> things, and it wasn't avoiding any answer. Nor was it part of any long
> string or history of doing that, but I suppose in your short stint here,
> that would be an "always occurring" event.
>
> I'm ok with that.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmy Palmer [mailto:jimsbait@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:10 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> Or we could just continually post links to our blogs and websites instead
> of
> answering the questions directly on groupstudy.
>
> Scott you are so defensive. Just be more like Narbik and you will turn out
> okay. I liked it better when you were kicked off the island.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:21 AM
> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> Not uptight, just curious about how that simple statement would answer a
> question.
>
> Going down that path (apparantly not as readily visible as I thought it
> was)
> a few of us could just as easily post with "come to class" or "review my
> workbook" to answer MANY of the technical questions to the list here, but
> that doesn't really serve the common good, does it?
>
> Short of that though, I'm one of the most relaxed people around. Life's
> too
> short for anything else! (And I hate doctors. Well, let me rephrase as I
> recall we have a couple on here... I hate being a patient. (smirk))
>
> Just trying to understand the value add, that's all!
>
> Scott
>
> _____
>
> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>
>
>
> I am sorry I thought it was Roger Oliver, because he wanted to retake the
> QOS portion of the boot camp.
>
>
>
> But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath and
> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down.
> What is wrong with everyone????
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Scott Morris
> <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>
> Narbik, Will that help the group as a whole? Or shall we all recommend
> books/classes to answer all questions?
>
> Roger, a task taken out of context like that may not be a fair assessment
> in
> order to gain an answer. Perhaps there are other things listed around it
> which would give you a better idea of how best to solve the task.
>
> As has been noted, there's nothing wrong with asking the proctor lots of
> questions to be sure you have the right understanding. Just make sure to
> ask questions in a way that demonstrates you KNOW the technologies and are
> looking for clarification. Proctors are there to help, but if you are
> fishing for answers, they'll shut you down. :)
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
> Power corrupts.
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:08 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>
> Roger i will see you in the class on Friday for the QOS section.
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > You'd want to be a bit better prepared with your thought process and
> > be prepared to defend your line of reasoning if you want to get the
> > most for the time it takes to ask a question and get a valid reply
> > aside from "go re-read the question".
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Asking carefully worded questions is a skill unto itself and should
> > show a certain level of mastery of the topic. Which you probably already
> have.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Roger RPF <rpf@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for all the replies. So I see, I would have to talk to the
> > > proctor
> > > :o)
> > >
> > > rergards
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > -----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Anthony Sequeira [mailto:asequeira@internetworkexpert.com]
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2008 00:22
> > > An: Roger RPF; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Betreff: Re: generic QoS question
> > >
> > > If the task is truly that vague - this might be a perfect Ask the
> > > Proctor moment.
> > >
> > > Do not forget to look for a clue in the sub-head. For example, you
> > > might get lucky and this will be in the 7. QoS 7.1 Policing section!
> > > Sometimes the sub-heads can help you pick a technology, other times
> > > they can actually throw you off a bit or provide no help whatsoever.
> > >
> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >
> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: rpf@bluemail.ch
> > > Sent: Mon, October 13, 2008 15:35
> > > Subject:generic QoS question
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Group,
> > >
> > > I have a generic QoS question regarding policing/shaping. If the
> > > question tells you: "Limit the traffic from network X to network Y (or
> similar).
> > > What
> > > do you do? Policing or Shaping?
> > >
> > > In a real life scenario I would do shaping in outside direction and
> > > policing in inside but....in the LAB?
> > >
> > > Limiting sounds to me like being very strict, thus policing....
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
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