Re: generic QoS question

From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 - 18:02:47 ART

To GS,

*I did not try to sell or recommend work books or boot camps, please re-read
my post,* i honestly thought that this gentleman was Roger Oliver, because
Roger Oliver asked me if he could re-take the QOS portion of the class,
and i thought that this Roger was the same guy, i guess i was wrong.

*But to all instructors/engineers:*
If i feel that i am being attacked publicly, i will defend myself
publicly.

That's all.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:

> Jimmy to be fair to the two guys I know (Scott and Narbik) and to be fair
> to the one I don't (J.P.):
>
> 1. Both of these guys have a vested interest in making timely comments,
> even when they do not really have much to add at the time - aka name-brand
> recognition.
> 2. This list is not only broadcasted to a select market share, it is also
> copied by others and can be found in its orginal form and from other sites
> too - so that market-share is magnified somewhat.
> 3. If you dislike the guy so much why bother replying to him at all?
>
>
> Well... I got other things to tend to at the moment.
>
> This really has gone on too long.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Jimmy Palmer <jimsbait@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You are even defensive about being defensive. Point made. You continue to
>> act like a spoiled little kid. I would have though getting kicked off the
>> island would have helped to change your attitude. Listen to Narbik:
>>
>> "But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath
>> and
>> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down."
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@internetworkexpert.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:17 AM
>> To: jimsbait@gmail.com; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>>
>> Oh yeah (sorry, that "defensive" part of further explanation coming in
>> again), the blog post was for a specific question on where to look at
>> things, and it wasn't avoiding any answer. Nor was it part of any long
>> string or history of doing that, but I suppose in your short stint here,
>> that would be an "always occurring" event.
>>
>> I'm ok with that.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jimmy Palmer [mailto:jimsbait@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:10 PM
>> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
>> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>>
>> Or we could just continually post links to our blogs and websites instead
>> of
>> answering the questions directly on groupstudy.
>>
>> Scott you are so defensive. Just be more like Narbik and you will turn out
>> okay. I liked it better when you were kicked off the island.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:21 AM
>> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'
>> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>>
>> Not uptight, just curious about how that simple statement would answer a
>> question.
>>
>> Going down that path (apparantly not as readily visible as I thought it
>> was)
>> a few of us could just as easily post with "come to class" or "review my
>> workbook" to answer MANY of the technical questions to the list here, but
>> that doesn't really serve the common good, does it?
>>
>> Short of that though, I'm one of the most relaxed people around. Life's
>> too
>> short for anything else! (And I hate doctors. Well, let me rephrase as I
>> recall we have a couple on here... I hate being a patient. (smirk))
>>
>> Just trying to understand the value add, that's all!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:36 AM
>> To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>> Cc: Darby Weaver; Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry I thought it was Roger Oliver, because he wanted to retake the
>> QOS portion of the boot camp.
>>
>>
>>
>> But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath and
>> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down.
>> What is wrong with everyone????
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Scott Morris
>> <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Narbik, Will that help the group as a whole? Or shall we all recommend
>> books/classes to answer all questions?
>>
>> Roger, a task taken out of context like that may not be a fair assessment
>> in
>> order to gain an answer. Perhaps there are other things listed around it
>> which would give you a better idea of how best to solve the task.
>>
>> As has been noted, there's nothing wrong with asking the proctor lots of
>> questions to be sure you have the right understanding. Just make sure to
>> ask questions in a way that demonstrates you KNOW the technologies and are
>> looking for clarification. Proctors are there to help, but if you are
>> fishing for answers, they'll shut you down. :)
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>>
>> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
>> Senior CCIE Instructor
>>
>> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>> Power corrupts.
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:08 AM
>> To: Darby Weaver
>> Cc: Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>>
>> Roger i will see you in the class on Friday for the QOS section.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > You'd want to be a bit better prepared with your thought process and
>> > be prepared to defend your line of reasoning if you want to get the
>> > most for the time it takes to ask a question and get a valid reply
>> > aside from "go re-read the question".
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Asking carefully worded questions is a skill unto itself and should
>> > show a certain level of mastery of the topic. Which you probably
>> already
>> have.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Roger RPF <rpf@bluemail.ch> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks for all the replies. So I see, I would have to talk to the
>> > > proctor
>> > > :o)
>> > >
>> > > rergards
>> > >
>> > > Roger
>> > >
>> > > -----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
>> > > Von: Anthony Sequeira [mailto:asequeira@internetworkexpert.com]
>> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2008 00:22
>> > > An: Roger RPF; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Betreff: Re: generic QoS question
>> > >
>> > > If the task is truly that vague - this might be a perfect Ask the
>> > > Proctor moment.
>> > >
>> > > Do not forget to look for a clue in the sub-head. For example, you
>> > > might get lucky and this will be in the 7. QoS 7.1 Policing section!
>> > > Sometimes the sub-heads can help you pick a technology, other times
>> > > they can actually throw you off a bit or provide no help whatsoever.
>> > >
>> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
>> > >
>> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: rpf@bluemail.ch
>> > > Sent: Mon, October 13, 2008 15:35
>> > > Subject:generic QoS question
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Group,
>> > >
>> > > I have a generic QoS question regarding policing/shaping. If the
>> > > question tells you: "Limit the traffic from network X to network Y (or
>> similar).
>> > > What
>> > > do you do? Policing or Shaping?
>> > >
>> > > In a real life scenario I would do shaping in outside direction and
>> > > policing in inside but....in the LAB?
>> > >
>> > > Limiting sounds to me like being very strict, thus policing....
>> > >
>> > > What do you think?
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > >
>> > > Roger
>> > >
>> > >
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