From: Roger Oliver (divineone@divine-wind.net)
Date: Wed Oct 15 2008 - 03:54:55 ART
Hello Everyone!
I'm Roger Oliver, Narbik and I have been talking about QOS through email
the last three weeks and I have been asking questions about it on other
froums as well. I did not see these group study posts earlier because I
tend to only check GS when I feel like I can take it. It is not the
first time people on this list have thought they were talking to me and
not another Roger nor will it be that last.
As all good teachers do this one in particular was trying to help his
student (Me). I have struggled with me CCIE and since May of this year
I've lost my grandmother and my best friend whom was also my original
study partner. Narbik has gone out of his way to help me with the area
of QOS as it has plagued me.
While I have more to say I will save it and not let the bad karma cross
my fingers into this list.
I apologize to the list for the useless posts and mostly to Narbik whom
thought he was helping one of his students(Me).
Good night, and when you look into the mirror think about the kid you
used to be and if he would do half the stuff you do to other people
today.
And anyone that thinks I'm just drinking coolaid check out my personal
website you see I'm fare in my sharing of praises and thanks.
Roger Oliver
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
> From: "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, October 14, 2008 2:02 pm
> To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> Cc: jimsbait@gmail.com, smorris@internetworkexpert.com, "Roger
> RPF" <rpf@bluemail.ch>, asequeira@internetworkexpert.com,
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
>
> To GS,
>
> *I did not try to sell or recommend work books or boot camps, please re-read
> my post,* i honestly thought that this gentleman was Roger Oliver, because
> Roger Oliver asked me if he could re-take the QOS portion of the class,
> and i thought that this Roger was the same guy, i guess i was wrong.
>
> *But to all instructors/engineers:*
> If i feel that i am being attacked publicly, i will defend myself
> publicly.
>
> That's all.
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Jimmy to be fair to the two guys I know (Scott and Narbik) and to be fair
> > to the one I don't (J.P.):
> >
> > 1. Both of these guys have a vested interest in making timely comments,
> > even when they do not really have much to add at the time - aka name-brand
> > recognition.
> > 2. This list is not only broadcasted to a select market share, it is also
> > copied by others and can be found in its orginal form and from other sites
> > too - so that market-share is magnified somewhat.
> > 3. If you dislike the guy so much why bother replying to him at all?
> >
> >
> > Well... I got other things to tend to at the moment.
> >
> > This really has gone on too long.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Jimmy Palmer <jimsbait@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You are even defensive about being defensive. Point made. You continue to
> >> act like a spoiled little kid. I would have though getting kicked off the
> >> island would have helped to change your attitude. Listen to Narbik:
> >>
> >> "But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath
> >> and
> >> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down."
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@internetworkexpert.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:17 AM
> >> To: jimsbait@gmail.com; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> >> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
> >>
> >> Oh yeah (sorry, that "defensive" part of further explanation coming in
> >> again), the blog post was for a specific question on where to look at
> >> things, and it wasn't avoiding any answer. Nor was it part of any long
> >> string or history of doing that, but I suppose in your short stint here,
> >> that would be an "always occurring" event.
> >>
> >> I'm ok with that.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jimmy Palmer [mailto:jimsbait@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:10 PM
> >> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> >> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
> >>
> >> Or we could just continually post links to our blogs and websites instead
> >> of
> >> answering the questions directly on groupstudy.
> >>
> >> Scott you are so defensive. Just be more like Narbik and you will turn out
> >> okay. I liked it better when you were kicked off the island.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Scott Morris
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:21 AM
> >> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'
> >> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
> >>
> >> Not uptight, just curious about how that simple statement would answer a
> >> question.
> >>
> >> Going down that path (apparantly not as readily visible as I thought it
> >> was)
> >> a few of us could just as easily post with "come to class" or "review my
> >> workbook" to answer MANY of the technical questions to the list here, but
> >> that doesn't really serve the common good, does it?
> >>
> >> Short of that though, I'm one of the most relaxed people around. Life's
> >> too
> >> short for anything else! (And I hate doctors. Well, let me rephrase as I
> >> recall we have a couple on here... I hate being a patient. (smirk))
> >>
> >> Just trying to understand the value add, that's all!
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:36 AM
> >> To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> >> Cc: Darby Weaver; Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> >> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am sorry I thought it was Roger Oliver, because he wanted to retake the
> >> QOS portion of the boot camp.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath and
> >> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down.
> >> What is wrong with everyone????
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Scott Morris
> >> <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Narbik, Will that help the group as a whole? Or shall we all recommend
> >> books/classes to answer all questions?
> >>
> >> Roger, a task taken out of context like that may not be a fair assessment
> >> in
> >> order to gain an answer. Perhaps there are other things listed around it
> >> which would give you a better idea of how best to solve the task.
> >>
> >> As has been noted, there's nothing wrong with asking the proctor lots of
> >> questions to be sure you have the right understanding. Just make sure to
> >> ask questions in a way that demonstrates you KNOW the technologies and are
> >> looking for clarification. Proctors are there to help, but if you are
> >> fishing for answers, they'll shut you down. :)
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>
> >> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Knowledge is power.
> >> Power corrupts.
> >> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Narbik Kocharians
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:08 AM
> >> To: Darby Weaver
> >> Cc: Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
> >>
> >> Roger i will see you in the class on Friday for the QOS section.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > You'd want to be a bit better prepared with your thought process and
> >> > be prepared to defend your line of reasoning if you want to get the
> >> > most for the time it takes to ask a question and get a valid reply
> >> > aside from "go re-read the question".
> >> >
> >> > :)
> >> >
> >> > Asking carefully worded questions is a skill unto itself and should
> >> > show a certain level of mastery of the topic. Which you probably
> >> already
> >> have.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Roger RPF <rpf@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks for all the replies. So I see, I would have to talk to the
> >> > > proctor
> >> > > :o)
> >> > >
> >> > > rergards
> >> > >
> >> > > Roger
> >> > >
> >> > > -----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
> >> > > Von: Anthony Sequeira [mailto:asequeira@internetworkexpert.com]
> >> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2008 00:22
> >> > > An: Roger RPF; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > Betreff: Re: generic QoS question
> >> > >
> >> > > If the task is truly that vague - this might be a perfect Ask the
> >> > > Proctor moment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Do not forget to look for a clue in the sub-head. For example, you
> >> > > might get lucky and this will be in the 7. QoS 7.1 Policing section!
> >> > > Sometimes the sub-heads can help you pick a technology, other times
> >> > > they can actually throw you off a bit or provide no help whatsoever.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
> >> > >
> >> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> >> > >
> >> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: rpf@bluemail.ch
> >> > > Sent: Mon, October 13, 2008 15:35
> >> > > Subject:generic QoS question
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Group,
> >> > >
> >> > > I have a generic QoS question regarding policing/shaping. If the
> >> > > question tells you: "Limit the traffic from network X to network Y (or
> >> similar).
> >> > > What
> >> > > do you do? Policing or Shaping?
> >> > >
> >> > > In a real life scenario I would do shaping in outside direction and
> >> > > policing in inside but....in the LAB?
> >> > >
> >> > > Limiting sounds to me like being very strict, thus policing....
> >> > >
> >> > > What do you think?
> >> > >
> >> > > regards
> >> > >
> >> > > Roger
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> >
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