From: Darby Weaver (ccie.weaver@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 14 2008 - 15:04:07 ART
Now see this would have been a great time for the truly knowledgeable and
magnonimous to come forward and tell the person and the group the
technologies work and how one might be able to tell the difference between
the two.
One thing I always missed on the group is more "real-world" type of
examples. For instance why would someone want to shape verus police. There
are a lot of nice VoIP networks with people running them who have a need for
deeder and more thorough understanding in this area for sure.
Example - I may not ever want to police my VoIP Traffic or signalling
protocols. However I may always want to prefer to police P2P file sharing
on a given link as an example.
And then come back and explain what really happens when we shape versus when
when we police in the terms of say the tcp traffic versus... udp traffic.
Exactly how much video or voice traffic can we afford to drop? And why this
is important, etc.
Then again we are all reminded that in the course of being a study forum and
especially in the context of the CCIE Lab, we just do things cause we can
and cause we need to do them in order to demonstrate we can do them as
required to the letter of the law... and oh yes - "gimme back my points!"
too....
:)
Just a thought.
It's never good to see the best among us appearing to argue over mere
words...
And it's never good to see previously unknowns seek to make themselves more
memorable by only posting attacks on one of the best contributors the list
has ever known.
I always prefer to frequent forums and lists where people talk and don't
take opportunities to bash or infringe on another when the chance permits
itself.
Since this list is public, such comments can easily be unicasted - unless
they themselves are made and preceived to be made for personal gain. This
comment cuts both ways so read it twice to get the other edge if you missed
it the first time.
Well...
Just an opinion and a thought - I hope a bit more productive.
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have way too much drama on here for a bunch of guys :P
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@internetworkexpert.com>
> To: "Dark Fiber" <darkfiber08@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>, "Roger RPF" <rpf@bluemail.ch>,
> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com,
> jimsbait@gmail.com, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:26:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> I agree. And he explained that in his response. I'm fine with it.
> *shrug*
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Dark
> Fiber
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:21 PM
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com; jimsbait@gmail.com; Narbik Kocharians
> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>
> As well as Narbik's answer was worded with him thinking the individual was
> someone who requested a retake of the QOS portion of his bootcamp :)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@internetworkexpert.com>
> To: jimsbait@gmail.com, "Narbik Kocharians" <narbikk@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>, "Roger RPF" <rpf@bluemail.ch>,
> asequeira@internetworkexpert.com, ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:17:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> Oh yeah (sorry, that "defensive" part of further explanation coming in
> again), the blog post was for a specific question on where to look at
> things, and it wasn't avoiding any answer. Nor was it part of any long
> string or history of doing that, but I suppose in your short stint here,
> that would be an "always occurring" event.
>
> I'm ok with that.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmy Palmer [mailto:jimsbait@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:10 PM
> To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> Or we could just continually post links to our blogs and websites instead
> of
> answering the questions directly on groupstudy.
>
> Scott you are so defensive. Just be more like Narbik and you will turn out
> okay. I liked it better when you were kicked off the island.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:21 AM
> To: 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Roger RPF'; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: generic QoS question
>
> Not uptight, just curious about how that simple statement would answer a
> question.
>
> Going down that path (apparantly not as readily visible as I thought it
> was)
> a few of us could just as easily post with "come to class" or "review my
> workbook" to answer MANY of the technical questions to the list here, but
> that doesn't really serve the common good, does it?
>
> Short of that though, I'm one of the most relaxed people around. Life's
> too
> short for anything else! (And I hate doctors. Well, let me rephrase as I
> recall we have a couple on here... I hate being a patient. (smirk))
>
> Just trying to understand the value add, that's all!
>
> Scott
>
> _____
>
> From: Narbik Kocharians [mailto:narbikk@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: smorris@internetworkexpert.com
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>
>
>
> I am sorry I thought it was Roger Oliver, because he wanted to retake the
> QOS portion of the boot camp.
>
>
>
> But Scott, man you are very uptight, relax man just take a deep breath and
> relax, this can effect your digestive system or other systems lower down.
> What is wrong with everyone????
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Scott Morris
> <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
>
> Narbik, Will that help the group as a whole? Or shall we all recommend
> books/classes to answer all questions?
>
> Roger, a task taken out of context like that may not be a fair assessment
> in
> order to gain an answer. Perhaps there are other things listed around it
> which would give you a better idea of how best to solve the task.
>
> As has been noted, there's nothing wrong with asking the proctor lots of
> questions to be sure you have the right understanding. Just make sure to
> ask questions in a way that demonstrates you KNOW the technologies and are
> looking for clarification. Proctors are there to help, but if you are
> fishing for answers, they'll shut you down. :)
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
> smorris@internetworkexpert.com
>
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
> Power corrupts.
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:08 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: Roger RPF; asequeira@internetworkexpert.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>
> Subject: Re: generic QoS question
>
> Roger i will see you in the class on Friday for the QOS section.
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > You'd want to be a bit better prepared with your thought process and
> > be prepared to defend your line of reasoning if you want to get the
> > most for the time it takes to ask a question and get a valid reply
> > aside from "go re-read the question".
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Asking carefully worded questions is a skill unto itself and should
> > show a certain level of mastery of the topic. Which you probably
> > already
> have.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Roger RPF <rpf@bluemail.ch> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for all the replies. So I see, I would have to talk to the
> > > proctor
> > > :o)
> > >
> > > rergards
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > -----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Anthony Sequeira [mailto:asequeira@internetworkexpert.com]
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2008 00:22
> > > An: Roger RPF; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Betreff: Re: generic QoS question
> > >
> > > If the task is truly that vague - this might be a perfect Ask the
> > > Proctor moment.
> > >
> > > Do not forget to look for a clue in the sub-head. For example, you
> > > might get lucky and this will be in the 7. QoS 7.1 Policing section!
> > > Sometimes the sub-heads can help you pick a technology, other times
> > > they can actually throw you off a bit or provide no help whatsoever.
> > >
> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251 Senior CCIE Instructor
> > >
> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: rpf@bluemail.ch
> > > Sent: Mon, October 13, 2008 15:35
> > > Subject:generic QoS question
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Group,
> > >
> > > I have a generic QoS question regarding policing/shaping. If the
> > > question tells you: "Limit the traffic from network X to network Y
> > > (or
> similar).
> > > What
> > > do you do? Policing or Shaping?
> > >
> > > In a real life scenario I would do shaping in outside direction and
> > > policing in inside but....in the LAB?
> > >
> > > Limiting sounds to me like being very strict, thus policing....
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
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