From: Brandon Carroll (brandon.carroll@ascolta.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 12:18:08 ART
ok...you got me there.
but it does have the word "Cisco" in the title right? lol
:)
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On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Ronnie Angello wrote:
> Thanks for answering all of the group's questions. BTW - not "ALL"
> Cisco certs are Cisco-centric - CCDE is vendor neutral...
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Brandon Carroll
> <Brandon.carroll@ascolta.com> wrote:
>> I suppose I would have to put it this way. Its a Cisco Press book
>> about a
>> Cisco developed exam about the Cisco Unified Wireless Solution.
>> It's not
>> intended to be anything else. There is some overview in there of
>> the Wireless
>> Technology but again, its a Cisco book. It covers the topics found
>> here:
>>
>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/community/certifications/wireless_ccna/
>> iuwne?view=overview
>>
>> Additionally, I wrote this book at the same time that the course
>> was being
>> developed so it is definitely NOT the course book. The course book
>> by the way
>> is not done by Cisco Press, it's done by Cisco (usually a partner
>> that has the
>> contract).
>>
>> So, bottom line: Its not vendor neutral, its not the course book.
>> Its an
>> exam certification guide, not an overview. IT covers the topics on
>> the exam.
>>
>> On another note, ALL of Cisco's Certifications, including the R&S are
>> Cisco-Centric. While getting the CCIE in R&S does in fact give you
>> a great
>> deal of knowledge on how networks work, its still a Cisco network
>> and all the
>> gear is Cisco gear.
>>
>> That's my, opinion. HTH.
>>
>> Brandon Carroll
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
>> Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 7:57 PM
>> To: Brandon Carroll
>> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>
>>
>>
>> OK Brandon, so it's established that this allows the new NA flavors
>> to just
>> be the focused disciplines that they are (which is cool). The
>> approach that
>> Cisco Press often takes is that there's a "course book" (for lack
>> of a
>> better term) and then a "cert guide," with the latter often being
>> much more
>> of a high-level review. Would you consider your own book an
>> effective
>> barometer of where Cisco is headed with the wireless certification
>> track? I
>> guess one of the main concerns/questions on my mind (and we'll all
>> know the
>> answer to this soon enough but I'm not always the most patient of
>> sorts) is
>> whether or not they can/will be as vendor-neutral with the wireless
>> certs as
>> they have been able to be with the more generic R&S track? On the
>> whole, my
>> own personal client base has not exactly tripped over themselves to
>> deploy
>> Cisco's wireless product line (due to a variety of reasons, one
>> obvious
>> among them being a pretty significant cost differential as compared
>> to some
>> reasonably respected competitors). So if this track were to be
>> headed down
>> a markedly Cisco-centric path, I'd be less interested in it than if
>> otherwise.
>>
>> If you're not comfortable discussing this on list, I'd be very
>> grateful if
>> you'd be willing to hash it with me briefly offline. I just
>> thought there
>> would be a general interest since this will ultimately become the
>> latest,
>> greatest CCIE track available to the community. And it was just
>> too darned
>> convenient that I was reading the outline of your book when a
>> balloon of
>> your post regarding the CA server issue popped up from my system
>> tray! ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brandon Carroll [mailto:brandon.j.carroll@gmail.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Brandon Carroll
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:58 PM
>> To: Scott M Vermillion
>> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: Re: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>
>> Yep- You have to be a CCNA to then get the CCNA wireless so no point
>> in duplicating the content.
>>
>> Brandon Carroll
>> Senior Instructor
>> Ascolta
>> 606 120th Ave NE
>> D-201
>> Bellevue, Wa. 98056
>>
>> ph.206-850-2384
>>
>> brandon.carroll@ascolta.com
>> http://www.ascolta.com <http://www.ascolta.com/>
>> http://www.globalconfig.net <http://www.globalconfig.net/>
>> http://ccieprep.me <http://ccieprep.me/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Scott M Vermillion wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, news to me. Guess I need to actually look at these new certs
>>> and their
>>> requirements. I wasn't really interested in actually pursuing any
>>> of the
>>> new NA flavors in terms of actually sitting any of the exams, but I
>>> happily
>>> took the time to look over the book's outline. It really jumped out
>>> at me
>>> that there was no fundamental IP stuff, but then I had no idea that
>>> the core
>>> "R&S" NA was a prerequisite!
>>>
>>> So I guess in light of that new knowledge, I would certainly have to
>>> agree
>>> with you...
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@internetworkexpert.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:09 PM
>>> To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Brandon Carroll'; 'Cisco certification'
>>> Subject: RE: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>>
>>> Just my two cents on it... If the CCNA-R&S is a prerequisite for
>>> any of the
>>> other CCNA flavors, why would they need to repeat that information?
>>>
>>> I haven't looked at it either, so I don't have any other context for
>>> my
>>> opinion, but that's the first thing that comes to my mind.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Scott M Vermillion
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:59 PM
>>> To: 'Brandon Carroll'; 'Cisco certification'
>>> Subject: OT: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>>
>>> Hey Brandon,
>>>
>>> I was just reading the outline for your new CCNA Wireless book (it's
>>> featured in this month's Bookpool.com promo). It appears as though
>>> this
>>> cert is pretty much exclusively wireless and does really not touch
>>> upon
>>> fundamental IP topics (which is odd to me, honestly). Would you
>>> agree? And
>>> would the book therefore still be of interest to more senior-level
>>> network
>>> engineers? I have an interest in the upcoming CCIE Wireless track
>>> but it's
>>> generally my approach to start with the core fundamentals when
>>> taking on
>>> something like this. There are certainly some things about wireless
>>> that I
>>> know, particularly on the RF side. But there's much that I haven't
>>> drank in
>>> terms of Cisco's wireless architectures/products Kool-Aid, if you
>>> will.
>>> Does this book offer a good foundation as far as that goes?
>>>
>>> Thanks much,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> #19953 (R&S)
>>>
>>>
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