From: Ronnie Angello (ronnie.angello@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 12:17:14 ART
Thanks for answering all of the group's questions. BTW - not "ALL"
Cisco certs are Cisco-centric - CCDE is vendor neutral...
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Brandon Carroll
<Brandon.carroll@ascolta.com> wrote:
> I suppose I would have to put it this way. Its a Cisco Press book about a
> Cisco developed exam about the Cisco Unified Wireless Solution. It's not
> intended to be anything else. There is some overview in there of the Wireless
> Technology but again, its a Cisco book. It covers the topics found here:
>
> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/community/certifications/wireless_ccna/
> iuwne?view=overview
>
> Additionally, I wrote this book at the same time that the course was being
> developed so it is definitely NOT the course book. The course book by the way
> is not done by Cisco Press, it's done by Cisco (usually a partner that has the
> contract).
>
> So, bottom line: Its not vendor neutral, its not the course book. Its an
> exam certification guide, not an overview. IT covers the topics on the exam.
>
> On another note, ALL of Cisco's Certifications, including the R&S are
> Cisco-Centric. While getting the CCIE in R&S does in fact give you a great
> deal of knowledge on how networks work, its still a Cisco network and all the
> gear is Cisco gear.
>
> That's my, opinion. HTH.
>
> Brandon Carroll
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
> Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 7:57 PM
> To: Brandon Carroll
> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>
>
>
> OK Brandon, so it's established that this allows the new NA flavors to just
> be the focused disciplines that they are (which is cool). The approach that
> Cisco Press often takes is that there's a "course book" (for lack of a
> better term) and then a "cert guide," with the latter often being much more
> of a high-level review. Would you consider your own book an effective
> barometer of where Cisco is headed with the wireless certification track? I
> guess one of the main concerns/questions on my mind (and we'll all know the
> answer to this soon enough but I'm not always the most patient of sorts) is
> whether or not they can/will be as vendor-neutral with the wireless certs as
> they have been able to be with the more generic R&S track? On the whole, my
> own personal client base has not exactly tripped over themselves to deploy
> Cisco's wireless product line (due to a variety of reasons, one obvious
> among them being a pretty significant cost differential as compared to some
> reasonably respected competitors). So if this track were to be headed down
> a markedly Cisco-centric path, I'd be less interested in it than if
> otherwise.
>
> If you're not comfortable discussing this on list, I'd be very grateful if
> you'd be willing to hash it with me briefly offline. I just thought there
> would be a general interest since this will ultimately become the latest,
> greatest CCIE track available to the community. And it was just too darned
> convenient that I was reading the outline of your book when a balloon of
> your post regarding the CA server issue popped up from my system tray! ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Carroll [mailto:brandon.j.carroll@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Brandon Carroll
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:58 PM
> To: Scott M Vermillion
> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: Re: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>
> Yep- You have to be a CCNA to then get the CCNA wireless so no point
> in duplicating the content.
>
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> On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Scott M Vermillion wrote:
>
>> Oh, news to me. Guess I need to actually look at these new certs
>> and their
>> requirements. I wasn't really interested in actually pursuing any
>> of the
>> new NA flavors in terms of actually sitting any of the exams, but I
>> happily
>> took the time to look over the book's outline. It really jumped out
>> at me
>> that there was no fundamental IP stuff, but then I had no idea that
>> the core
>> "R&S" NA was a prerequisite!
>>
>> So I guess in light of that new knowledge, I would certainly have to
>> agree
>> with you...
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@internetworkexpert.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:09 PM
>> To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Brandon Carroll'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>
>> Just my two cents on it... If the CCNA-R&S is a prerequisite for
>> any of the
>> other CCNA flavors, why would they need to repeat that information?
>>
>> I haven't looked at it either, so I don't have any other context for
>> my
>> opinion, but that's the first thing that comes to my mind.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Scott M Vermillion
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:59 PM
>> To: 'Brandon Carroll'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: OT: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>
>> Hey Brandon,
>>
>> I was just reading the outline for your new CCNA Wireless book (it's
>> featured in this month's Bookpool.com promo). It appears as though
>> this
>> cert is pretty much exclusively wireless and does really not touch
>> upon
>> fundamental IP topics (which is odd to me, honestly). Would you
>> agree? And
>> would the book therefore still be of interest to more senior-level
>> network
>> engineers? I have an interest in the upcoming CCIE Wireless track
>> but it's
>> generally my approach to start with the core fundamentals when
>> taking on
>> something like this. There are certainly some things about wireless
>> that I
>> know, particularly on the RF side. But there's much that I haven't
>> drank in
>> terms of Cisco's wireless architectures/products Kool-Aid, if you
>> will.
>> Does this book offer a good foundation as far as that goes?
>>
>> Thanks much,
>>
>> Scott
>> #19953 (R&S)
>>
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