From: Ronnie Angello (ronnie.angello@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 09 2008 - 14:53:28 ART
Yeah, no kidding... I was actually quite impressed. I didn't see any
reference to Cisco products or technologies in either of the CCDE
exams that I took. Cisco has done a pretty good job of not serving up
the kool-aid on this one.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Brandon Carroll
<brandon.carroll@ascolta.com> wrote:
> ok...you got me there.
>
> but it does have the word "Cisco" in the title right? lol
>
>
> :)
>
>
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> On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Ronnie Angello wrote:
>
>> Thanks for answering all of the group's questions. BTW - not "ALL"
>> Cisco certs are Cisco-centric - CCDE is vendor neutral...
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Brandon Carroll
>> <Brandon.carroll@ascolta.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I suppose I would have to put it this way. Its a Cisco Press book about
>>> a
>>> Cisco developed exam about the Cisco Unified Wireless Solution. It's not
>>> intended to be anything else. There is some overview in there of the
>>> Wireless
>>> Technology but again, its a Cisco book. It covers the topics found here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/community/certifications/wireless_ccna/
>>> iuwne?view=overview
>>>
>>> Additionally, I wrote this book at the same time that the course was
>>> being
>>> developed so it is definitely NOT the course book. The course book by
>>> the way
>>> is not done by Cisco Press, it's done by Cisco (usually a partner that
>>> has the
>>> contract).
>>>
>>> So, bottom line: Its not vendor neutral, its not the course book. Its
>>> an
>>> exam certification guide, not an overview. IT covers the topics on the
>>> exam.
>>>
>>> On another note, ALL of Cisco's Certifications, including the R&S are
>>> Cisco-Centric. While getting the CCIE in R&S does in fact give you a
>>> great
>>> deal of knowledge on how networks work, its still a Cisco network and all
>>> the
>>> gear is Cisco gear.
>>>
>>> That's my, opinion. HTH.
>>>
>>> Brandon Carroll
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Scott M Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
>>> Sent: Wed 10/8/2008 7:57 PM
>>> To: Brandon Carroll
>>> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Cisco certification'
>>> Subject: RE: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK Brandon, so it's established that this allows the new NA flavors to
>>> just
>>> be the focused disciplines that they are (which is cool). The approach
>>> that
>>> Cisco Press often takes is that there's a "course book" (for lack of a
>>> better term) and then a "cert guide," with the latter often being much
>>> more
>>> of a high-level review. Would you consider your own book an effective
>>> barometer of where Cisco is headed with the wireless certification track?
>>> I
>>> guess one of the main concerns/questions on my mind (and we'll all know
>>> the
>>> answer to this soon enough but I'm not always the most patient of sorts)
>>> is
>>> whether or not they can/will be as vendor-neutral with the wireless certs
>>> as
>>> they have been able to be with the more generic R&S track? On the whole,
>>> my
>>> own personal client base has not exactly tripped over themselves to
>>> deploy
>>> Cisco's wireless product line (due to a variety of reasons, one obvious
>>> among them being a pretty significant cost differential as compared to
>>> some
>>> reasonably respected competitors). So if this track were to be headed
>>> down
>>> a markedly Cisco-centric path, I'd be less interested in it than if
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> If you're not comfortable discussing this on list, I'd be very grateful
>>> if
>>> you'd be willing to hash it with me briefly offline. I just thought
>>> there
>>> would be a general interest since this will ultimately become the latest,
>>> greatest CCIE track available to the community. And it was just too
>>> darned
>>> convenient that I was reading the outline of your book when a balloon of
>>> your post regarding the CA server issue popped up from my system tray!
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brandon Carroll [mailto:brandon.j.carroll@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Brandon Carroll
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:58 PM
>>> To: Scott M Vermillion
>>> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Cisco certification'
>>> Subject: Re: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>>
>>> Yep- You have to be a CCNA to then get the CCNA wireless so no point
>>> in duplicating the content.
>>>
>>> Brandon Carroll
>>> Senior Instructor
>>> Ascolta
>>> 606 120th Ave NE
>>> D-201
>>> Bellevue, Wa. 98056
>>>
>>> ph.206-850-2384
>>>
>>> brandon.carroll@ascolta.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Scott M Vermillion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, news to me. Guess I need to actually look at these new certs
>>>> and their
>>>> requirements. I wasn't really interested in actually pursuing any
>>>> of the
>>>> new NA flavors in terms of actually sitting any of the exams, but I
>>>> happily
>>>> took the time to look over the book's outline. It really jumped out
>>>> at me
>>>> that there was no fundamental IP stuff, but then I had no idea that
>>>> the core
>>>> "R&S" NA was a prerequisite!
>>>>
>>>> So I guess in light of that new knowledge, I would certainly have to
>>>> agree
>>>> with you...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@internetworkexpert.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:09 PM
>>>> To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Brandon Carroll'; 'Cisco certification'
>>>> Subject: RE: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents on it... If the CCNA-R&S is a prerequisite for
>>>> any of the
>>>> other CCNA flavors, why would they need to repeat that information?
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked at it either, so I don't have any other context for
>>>> my
>>>> opinion, but that's the first thing that comes to my mind.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Scott M Vermillion
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:59 PM
>>>> To: 'Brandon Carroll'; 'Cisco certification'
>>>> Subject: OT: Your New CCNA Wireless Book
>>>>
>>>> Hey Brandon,
>>>>
>>>> I was just reading the outline for your new CCNA Wireless book (it's
>>>> featured in this month's Bookpool.com promo). It appears as though
>>>> this
>>>> cert is pretty much exclusively wireless and does really not touch
>>>> upon
>>>> fundamental IP topics (which is odd to me, honestly). Would you
>>>> agree? And
>>>> would the book therefore still be of interest to more senior-level
>>>> network
>>>> engineers? I have an interest in the upcoming CCIE Wireless track
>>>> but it's
>>>> generally my approach to start with the core fundamentals when
>>>> taking on
>>>> something like this. There are certainly some things about wireless
>>>> that I
>>>> know, particularly on the RF side. But there's much that I haven't
>>>> drank in
>>>> terms of Cisco's wireless architectures/products Kool-Aid, if you
>>>> will.
>>>> Does this book offer a good foundation as far as that goes?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks much,
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>> #19953 (R&S)
>>>>
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