From: john matijevic (john.matijevic@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 - 20:01:06 ART
Hello Andrew,
The author of the BGP and OSPF Command Reference books is name is Parkhurst,
I had the pleasure of meeting him personally when I went for my lab.
Sincerely,
John
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Tony Varriale <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com>wrote:
> Comments inline.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:24 PM
> To: Ovais Iqbal
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
>
> >Vendor products are certainly popular, however it is something of an urban
> >myth that they are a relatively new phenomenon. Bootcamps and bootcamp
> >labbooks have been around in one form or another for almost as long as the
> >CCIE track has been public. In other words they have been used to a
> greater
>
> >or lesser extent by just about every CCIE minted for years now. Practice
> >labs do not have to come from vendors though.
>
> This is obviously true for >= than the mid old-schoolers. Before
> ccwhocamp,
> the primary learning experience was formal training and/or OTJ.
>
> The mid old-schoolers had 4 primary outlets: 1) ccwhocamp 2) own
> experience/dev 3) groupstudy lab test answer posting 4) formal training
>
> I can assure you that #3 was a HUGE explosion in the CCIE process during
> this time frame.
>
> >Cisco Press have done practice
> >labs through books by Gorito and Duggan and Solie has practice labs as
> well.
> >There was also 'fatkid' once upon a time but I digress :)
>
> Cisco Press was a factor after mid old-school, IMHO.
> w
> Fatkid? Where is fatty (I forgot his name...darnit)? I'm very aware of
> the
> labs that were "offered". I'm also aware of what was available on the lab
> exam in 2000 (or before). And, I'm not the only one.
>
> >In terms of challenge, regardless of the mix of materials you use, you
> still
> >have to put the necessary time in to cover the lab footprint and get to a
> >point where you can recall the *right* solution to meet particular
> >requirements.
>
> I'll disagree here. Any idea of why certain regions of the world are
> moving
> towards an interview before you sit?
>
> >Vendor materials are helpful but
> >not a magic bullet. You have to make the effort. Many people have invested
> >lots of money in multiple vendor sources and come unglued. A vendor
> product
>
> >wont give you determination or the inherent intellect to be able to
> >understand it all.
>
> Obviously you have to have the capability. But, the amount of organization
> and material offered today from CCIE vendors is absolutely amazing. If you
> consider price too, it's mind blowing.
>
> >Cisco Press books and CCO offer an almost endless source of
> >topologies you can lab up and play with at home and I recommend you do so.
>
> Sure, Cisco Press is definitely the pinnacle of Cisconess. But, consider
> this. There are
> some CP books that just don't measure up...some are way outside of the
> acceptable variation.
>
> Tv
>
> PS - Brad, no hard feelings on the whocamp stuff. I didn't invent that, I
> just thought it was funny. :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ovais Iqbal" <ovais.iqball@yahoo.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:43 PM
> Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
>
>
> > Hi all, first of all i mean no disrespect to the gurus who are helping
> > CCIEs a
> > lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,
> > mostly when i read the success stories, one point is present in all of
> > them, x
> > months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just want to
> > know
> > something very simple, can some one pass the lab without these workbooks
> ?
>
> > can
> > someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use any of
> > the
> > vendors ? right now i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any more, no
> > offense, but thats the truth, look around and you will see a hell lot
> > increase
> > in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and more ppl
> > are
> > inclined towards it but i think the real challenge is to take the lab
> > without
> > using any of the workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs, i
> > respect
> > them all :-) ),
> >
> > Is there anyone who took the lab without using any vendors, can he/she
> > shed
> > some light on his/her preparation ??
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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