From: Hobbs (deadheadblues@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 05 2008 - 20:19:15 ART
Ovais: Everybody's path IS different :)
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM, john matijevic <john.matijevic@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
> The author of the BGP and OSPF Command Reference books is name is
> Parkhurst,
> I had the pleasure of meeting him personally when I went for my lab.
> Sincerely,
> John
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Tony Varriale <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Comments inline.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 3:24 PM
> > To: Ovais Iqbal
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
> >
> > >Vendor products are certainly popular, however it is something of an
> urban
> > >myth that they are a relatively new phenomenon. Bootcamps and bootcamp
> > >labbooks have been around in one form or another for almost as long as
> the
> > >CCIE track has been public. In other words they have been used to a
> > greater
> >
> > >or lesser extent by just about every CCIE minted for years now. Practice
> > >labs do not have to come from vendors though.
> >
> > This is obviously true for >= than the mid old-schoolers. Before
> > ccwhocamp,
> > the primary learning experience was formal training and/or OTJ.
> >
> > The mid old-schoolers had 4 primary outlets: 1) ccwhocamp 2) own
> > experience/dev 3) groupstudy lab test answer posting 4) formal training
> >
> > I can assure you that #3 was a HUGE explosion in the CCIE process during
> > this time frame.
> >
> > >Cisco Press have done practice
> > >labs through books by Gorito and Duggan and Solie has practice labs as
> > well.
> > >There was also 'fatkid' once upon a time but I digress :)
> >
> > Cisco Press was a factor after mid old-school, IMHO.
> > w
> > Fatkid? Where is fatty (I forgot his name...darnit)? I'm very aware of
> > the
> > labs that were "offered". I'm also aware of what was available on the
> lab
> > exam in 2000 (or before). And, I'm not the only one.
> >
> > >In terms of challenge, regardless of the mix of materials you use, you
> > still
> > >have to put the necessary time in to cover the lab footprint and get to
> a
> > >point where you can recall the *right* solution to meet particular
> > >requirements.
> >
> > I'll disagree here. Any idea of why certain regions of the world are
> > moving
> > towards an interview before you sit?
> >
> > >Vendor materials are helpful but
> > >not a magic bullet. You have to make the effort. Many people have
> invested
> > >lots of money in multiple vendor sources and come unglued. A vendor
> > product
> >
> > >wont give you determination or the inherent intellect to be able to
> > >understand it all.
> >
> > Obviously you have to have the capability. But, the amount of
> organization
> > and material offered today from CCIE vendors is absolutely amazing. If
> you
> > consider price too, it's mind blowing.
> >
> > >Cisco Press books and CCO offer an almost endless source of
> > >topologies you can lab up and play with at home and I recommend you do
> so.
> >
> > Sure, Cisco Press is definitely the pinnacle of Cisconess. But, consider
> > this. There are
> > some CP books that just don't measure up...some are way outside of the
> > acceptable variation.
> >
> > Tv
> >
> > PS - Brad, no hard feelings on the whocamp stuff. I didn't invent that,
> I
> > just thought it was funny. :)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ovais Iqbal" <ovais.iqball@yahoo.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 6:43 PM
> > Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
> >
> >
> > > Hi all, first of all i mean no disrespect to the gurus who are helping
> > > CCIEs a
> > > lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,
> > > mostly when i read the success stories, one point is present in all of
> > > them, x
> > > months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just want
> to
> > > know
> > > something very simple, can some one pass the lab without these
> workbooks
> > ?
> >
> > > can
> > > someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use any
> of
> > > the
> > > vendors ? right now i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any more,
> no
> > > offense, but thats the truth, look around and you will see a hell lot
> > > increase
> > > in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and more
> ppl
> > > are
> > > inclined towards it but i think the real challenge is to take the lab
> > > without
> > > using any of the workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs, i
> > > respect
> > > them all :-) ),
> > >
> > > Is there anyone who took the lab without using any vendors, can he/she
> > > shed
> > > some light on his/her preparation ??
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
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