From: Scott Morris (smorris@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Sun Aug 31 2008 - 15:34:11 ART
Shouldn't the appropriate answer be "wherever I'm at?" ?? :) (Although
that answer is a bit too pretentious for me!)
Everyone has different views of the world, and features and things like
that, but I've always encouraged folks to not look just at any particular
product or feature or whatever special du jour is going on.
Look at the people behind it, and the qualifications of all of the folks
involved. Even perhaps at the "extra-curricular" activities of each of the
people. That helps tell the whole story, and that whole story really helps
gain a better appreciation for the WHO you want to put your money with and
look for a better expereince.
This should be a long-term goal for everyone involved, so never make a
decision based on a short-term answer!
HTH,
Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Shahid Ansari
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:22 PM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Wes Stevens; Hobbs; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: set password
By the way Scott which Vendor is Best [IPExpert : ( ] OR
[ InternetworkExpert : ) ] ?
You must Answer ......
Thanks
Shahid
On 8/31/08, Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> I see your point there, but don't necessarily agree.... I will
absolutely
> agree that people need to have some flavor of real-life experience to
> go along with this, otherwise too many things just don't make sense...
>
> On the same notion though, the CCIE isn't about real life! It's about
> technologies. And you'll learn more details (generally speaking)
> about those in vendor's workbooks and bootcamps than you will with
> several years on live networks.
>
> That's just because we have different focusses in real life versus in
> lab exams! But real life experience should give us the perspective on
> things as we move forward!
>
> Either way, though, the key is that the CCIE number is not the END of the
> journey! I still remember walking out of the lab up in Halifax (closed
> now) on a nice, sunny day, having just received my number.... I walked
> across the street to a park and just laid down staring up at the sky.
> And the biggest thing I remember is thinking about all the things I
> knew and realizing "damn, there's even more stuff I don't know!".
>
> CCIE is but a pit-stop on our technical journey! Vendors and
> bootcamps cannot possibly teach you everything!
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Muhammad Nasim
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:12 AM
> To: Wes Stevens
> Cc: Hobbs; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: set password
>
> It is due to easiness of passing the lab and availability of the
> Dynampis and the most NEGATIVE thing is to ONLY AND ONLY FOCUS ON
> VENDOR WORKBOOKS AND BOOTCAMP in order to get the NUMBER.
>
>
> No offense intended to vendors and candidates.
>
>
>
> 2008/8/31 Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
>
> > I was active on this list 6 year ago before I sat the lab. I have
> > been watching on and off since and helping when time permits. The
> > list goes in cycles. Right now it is out of focus. Way too many
> > questions that are not CCIE quality. Most companys force the use of
> > a special character in passwords - any of the 100 or so network ops
> > guys where I work could tell you how to do it.
> > For me that is a CCNA question - not IE. If you have passed the
> > written - a prerequisite for this list - you should know it.
> >
> > If you are serious about
> > your studies this list should be important to you. If it is
> > important keeping it focused on discussions that will help you pass
> > the lab should also be important. These days there are a lot more
> > CCNA questions and off topics then ones that really help.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Hobbs
> > <deadheadblues@gmail.com>
> > To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
> > Cc:
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:08:43 AM
> > Subject: Re:
> > set password
> >
> >
> > "Still don't think it is a ccie study question"
> >
> > Talk about a
> > poor sport! Section I-B of the blueprint includes...VTP...hmmm...
> >
> > I would
> > think that includes how to set a vtp password, with the particular
> > caveat of setting one with a question mark. I didn't know that one
> > until I started studying for the lab (which was before I took the
> > written by the way).
> >
> > The
> > topic of his post was not "Have I taken the written yet and/or your
> > concerns on whether I have" so stop trying to change it to that.
> > Maybe you should start a separate chain for your ad hominems.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Wes Stevens
> > <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I saw the quotes around the "?".
> > Still don't think it is a ccie study question. No one even bothers
> > to search the cisco site before they email the list. We have a lot
> > of off topic and and questions that belong on the general list not
> > here, and not much studying going on....
> >
> > Still did not answer my question - has he passed the written?
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Hobbs <deadheadblues@gmail.com>
> > To: David
> > Lonnie <david.lonnie@gmail.com>
> >
> > Cc: ratm <cancanucho@gmail.com>; Michael Jones
> > <majonestx@gmail.com>; itguy.pro@gmail.com; Wes Stevens
> > <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; "ccielab@groupstudy.com"
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:38:31 PM
> > Subject:
> > Re: set password
> >
> >
> > HAHA. all you guys got owned. He was asking how to use the ? in the
> > password. I think that's a legitimate question. HAHAHA.
> >
> > don't take
> > it personal, i just thought it was funny!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM,
> > David Lonnie <david.lonnie@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,ratm.
> >
> > Right, only you got
> > the correct answer.
> >
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:03 AM, ratm <cancanucho@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > hi david
> > >
> > > In order to enter the question
> > mark as a character and not a calling IOS
> > > help you have to use the sequence:
> > Ctrl+v and then enter the question mark,
> > > then enter the remaining characters
> > >
> > > vtp password cisco CTRL+v ?
> > >
> > > I really hope you were asking this... :-)
> > >
> > > br
> > > ruben
> > >
> > > 2008/8/31 Michael Jones <majonestx@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > wtF lol
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:35 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > And which country did you pass your ccie?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent via BlackBerry
> > from T-Mobile
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Wes Stevens
> > <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
> > >> >
> > >> > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:30:21
> > >> >
> > To: David Lonnie<david.lonnie@gmail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com<
> > >> >
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >> > Subject: Re: set password
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > When and
> > how did you pass your ccie written?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message
> > ----
> > >> > From: David Lonnie <david.lonnie@gmail.com>
> > >> > To:
> > "ccielab@groupstudy.com" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, August
> > 30, 2008 6:13:24 PM
> > >> > Subject: set password
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi,experts.
> > >> > can
> > some guys tell me , how to set vtp password "cisco?" ?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > David
> > >> >
> > >> >
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