From: L Pham (ccie17030@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Aug 31 2008 - 15:49:26 ART
He he,
Scott is in an election year, I can tell ;-)
Loc
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Scott Morris
<smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> Shouldn't the appropriate answer be "wherever I'm at?" ?? :) (Although
> that answer is a bit too pretentious for me!)
>
> Everyone has different views of the world, and features and things like
> that, but I've always encouraged folks to not look just at any particular
> product or feature or whatever special du jour is going on.
>
> Look at the people behind it, and the qualifications of all of the folks
> involved. Even perhaps at the "extra-curricular" activities of each of the
> people. That helps tell the whole story, and that whole story really helps
> gain a better appreciation for the WHO you want to put your money with and
> look for a better expereince.
>
> This should be a long-term goal for everyone involved, so never make a
> decision based on a short-term answer!
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> Senior CCIE Instructor
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Shahid Ansari
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:22 PM
> To: Scott Morris
> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Wes Stevens; Hobbs; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: set password
>
> By the way Scott which Vendor is Best [IPExpert : ( ] OR
> [ InternetworkExpert : ) ] ?
> You must Answer ......
>
> Thanks
> Shahid
>
>
> On 8/31/08, Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>
>> I see your point there, but don't necessarily agree.... I will
> absolutely
>> agree that people need to have some flavor of real-life experience to
>> go along with this, otherwise too many things just don't make sense...
>>
>> On the same notion though, the CCIE isn't about real life! It's about
>> technologies. And you'll learn more details (generally speaking)
>> about those in vendor's workbooks and bootcamps than you will with
>> several years on live networks.
>>
>> That's just because we have different focusses in real life versus in
>> lab exams! But real life experience should give us the perspective on
>> things as we move forward!
>>
>> Either way, though, the key is that the CCIE number is not the END of the
>> journey! I still remember walking out of the lab up in Halifax (closed
>> now) on a nice, sunny day, having just received my number.... I walked
>> across the street to a park and just laid down staring up at the sky.
>> And the biggest thing I remember is thinking about all the things I
>> knew and realizing "damn, there's even more stuff I don't know!".
>>
>> CCIE is but a pit-stop on our technical journey! Vendors and
>> bootcamps cannot possibly teach you everything!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Muhammad Nasim
>> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:12 AM
>> To: Wes Stevens
>> Cc: Hobbs; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: set password
>>
>> It is due to easiness of passing the lab and availability of the
>> Dynampis and the most NEGATIVE thing is to ONLY AND ONLY FOCUS ON
>> VENDOR WORKBOOKS AND BOOTCAMP in order to get the NUMBER.
>>
>>
>> No offense intended to vendors and candidates.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/8/31 Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
>>
>> > I was active on this list 6 year ago before I sat the lab. I have
>> > been watching on and off since and helping when time permits. The
>> > list goes in cycles. Right now it is out of focus. Way too many
>> > questions that are not CCIE quality. Most companys force the use of
>> > a special character in passwords - any of the 100 or so network ops
>> > guys where I work could tell you how to do it.
>> > For me that is a CCNA question - not IE. If you have passed the
>> > written - a prerequisite for this list - you should know it.
>> >
>> > If you are serious about
>> > your studies this list should be important to you. If it is
>> > important keeping it focused on discussions that will help you pass
>> > the lab should also be important. These days there are a lot more
>> > CCNA questions and off topics then ones that really help.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Hobbs
>> > <deadheadblues@gmail.com>
>> > To: Wes Stevens <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
>> > Cc:
>> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:08:43 AM
>> > Subject: Re:
>> > set password
>> >
>> >
>> > "Still don't think it is a ccie study question"
>> >
>> > Talk about a
>> > poor sport! Section I-B of the blueprint includes...VTP...hmmm...
>> >
>> > I would
>> > think that includes how to set a vtp password, with the particular
>> > caveat of setting one with a question mark. I didn't know that one
>> > until I started studying for the lab (which was before I took the
>> > written by the way).
>> >
>> > The
>> > topic of his post was not "Have I taken the written yet and/or your
>> > concerns on whether I have" so stop trying to change it to that.
>> > Maybe you should start a separate chain for your ad hominems.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Wes Stevens
>> > <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I saw the quotes around the "?".
>> > Still don't think it is a ccie study question. No one even bothers
>> > to search the cisco site before they email the list. We have a lot
>> > of off topic and and questions that belong on the general list not
>> > here, and not much studying going on....
>> >
>> > Still did not answer my question - has he passed the written?
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Hobbs <deadheadblues@gmail.com>
>> > To: David
>> > Lonnie <david.lonnie@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > Cc: ratm <cancanucho@gmail.com>; Michael Jones
>> > <majonestx@gmail.com>; itguy.pro@gmail.com; Wes Stevens
>> > <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>; "ccielab@groupstudy.com"
>> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:38:31 PM
>> > Subject:
>> > Re: set password
>> >
>> >
>> > HAHA. all you guys got owned. He was asking how to use the ? in the
>> > password. I think that's a legitimate question. HAHAHA.
>> >
>> > don't take
>> > it personal, i just thought it was funny!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM,
>> > David Lonnie <david.lonnie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,ratm.
>> >
>> > Right, only you got
>> > the correct answer.
>> >
>> >
>> > David.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 8:03 AM, ratm <cancanucho@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > hi david
>> > >
>> > > In order to enter the question
>> > mark as a character and not a calling IOS
>> > > help you have to use the sequence:
>> > Ctrl+v and then enter the question mark,
>> > > then enter the remaining characters
>> > >
>> > > vtp password cisco CTRL+v ?
>> > >
>> > > I really hope you were asking this... :-)
>> > >
>> > > br
>> > > ruben
>> > >
>> > > 2008/8/31 Michael Jones <majonestx@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > wtF lol
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:35 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > And which country did you pass your ccie?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Sent via BlackBerry
>> > from T-Mobile
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >> > From: Wes Stevens
>> > <wrsteve33-gsccie@yahoo.com>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:30:21
>> > >> >
>> > To: David Lonnie<david.lonnie@gmail.com>; ccielab@groupstudy.com<
>> > >> >
>> > ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > >> > Subject: Re: set password
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > When and
>> > how did you pass your ccie written?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ----- Original Message
>> > ----
>> > >> > From: David Lonnie <david.lonnie@gmail.com>
>> > >> > To:
>> > "ccielab@groupstudy.com" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > >> > Sent: Saturday, August
>> > 30, 2008 6:13:24 PM
>> > >> > Subject: set password
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hi,experts.
>> > >> > can
>> > some guys tell me , how to set vtp password "cisco?" ?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > David
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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