From: Dale Kling (dalek77@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 01 2008 - 22:46:57 ART
"As to clearances being worth so much etc..not really, at least what I see.
I don't have a TS and really most places don't require it, only DoD shops. I
am active in some DoD work, but I don't bill out at any outrageous billing
rates, DoD won't pay it."
I do pretty good in the DOD market, but what do you consider outrageous
rates?. Just curious. :)
Dale
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Paul Dardinski <pauld@marshallcomm.com>wrote:
> Well, for sure the cert may lose some of its luster as more folks obtain
> it. I do agree that over time any skillset will decrease to a "norm" where
> value drops as more supply is introduced (even doctors and lawyers over time
> have had to work harder to keep up). As to law firms, etc, I'm sure you are
> right, but like I said, I know ccie's making more than that and not just in
> this area.
>
> As to clearances being worth so much etc...not really, at least what I see.
> I don't have a TS and really most places don't require it, only DoD shops. I
> am active in some DoD work, but I don't bill out at any outrageous billing
> rates, DoD won't pay it.
>
> Your mileage may vary of course, generally though in the end I don't do all
> this crazy crap for the money, it's a losing game. Frankly, only real
> lasting value is in larger more accepted creds (ie. MBA, PhD). This game is
> really a treadmill where you have to continue learning or you quickly become
> a dinosaur. I do this stuff because it also happens to be my passion. I know
> people will argue the point and say it is all about the money...but I made
> super-duper crazy money in another business I was in many years ago and
> could almost have retired then. I got into this because (for this engineer
> anyway) most of the time it is pretty interesting and fulfilling.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:13 PM
> To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> I'll leave it at this...
>
> A recruiter this week told me they could not get me more than $120,000 at a
> law firm. This law firm has over 1000 partners and rents office space at
> the
> most exclusive office building in NYC if not North America. The rent is
> around $150/sq foot per year (its famous and the figure been in the
> newspaper).
>
> The want me to the lead Cisco Architect, work with MPLS (I assume they
> meant
> vrf-lite), be the man, develop internal tools, procedures, and oh, yea,
> eventually manage the group. Pretty much every job offer is paying around
> this much...
>
> Nevermind, I made $125,000/yr quite a while back as a CCNP...
>
> I know down in DC CCIE's get TS/"Majestic 12" clearance and bill themselves
> out to John Q. Taxpayer (one CCIE this week told me a bigger number from DC
> than I have ever heard per hour for a CCIE), but for the rest of us, its
> learn something new, or continue to accept degrading living standards AS A
> CCIE
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:05 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> Well, to each their own I guess. Here in the DC area, $140k is indeed
> considered a pretty nice income. Maybe not investment banker grade, but
> still....
>
> As to $200k not being enough and being poverty level...don't know what to
> say to that. Indeed, if that isn't enough money to support a family
> decently
> well then really I don't know what to say. Certainly even in the overpriced
> DC area that is considered pretty reasonable for sure.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:01 PM
> To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> I don't think $140,000 a year is that much money... which is more than most
> CCIE's make.....
>
> I was commenting on the fact that the number is over 17,000 now
> worldwide...
>
> Following supply/demand, supply keeps a climbing, while demand keeps a
> dropping. Not a very good position to be in.
>
> I think the demand is hot if you are willing to work for $120,000 or less
> (not a very good living anymore friend). I'll say it again, I know a lot of
> people in I.T. (all areas) and BOTH husband and wife have to work their ASS
> off each around $100k plus just to pay their mortgage, debt, taxes, etc.
> And don't have a pot to pee in left over...
>
> General Physicians must make a lot more around me, than down there...
> :)
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:52 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> Not so sure about your "highly valuable" assessment there Joe....most of
> the ccie's I know make what general physicians make a year, which I
> don't really consider too shabby for not needing 10 years of school and
> $100k minimum in tuition...just my $0.02.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:50 PM
> To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> I saw that... there are still about 4,000 too many in north america for
> it
> to be a "highly valuable" anymore (highly valuable = pays good)
>
> I can't wait 'til I finish security/sp and then I can go for EXCHANGE
> RANGER... Now that is quite rare and valuable... ;) Maybe Oracle Master
> DBA
> after that!
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul
> Dardinski
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:44 PM
> To: Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> More CCIE's in Asia then in all of North America, interesting.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Antonio Soares
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM
> To: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> Hello group,
>
> We have a new update to the CCIE Worldwide Statistics page:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.htm
> l
>
> See here the progress since January 2006:
>
> http://pwp.netcabo.pt/amsoares/wwccies/wwccies.htm
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares@netcabo.pt
>
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