From: Dale Kling (dalek77@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Aug 01 2008 - 22:56:56 ART
I'll have to find the link, but SAIC once publicized their rates they charge
for their positions. Senior Architect was at a rate of $300/hour. I
honestly think running your own company is the way I'm learning nowadays,
but there is definitely still good money in W2 or consulting. 8(a), SDB,
and disabled vet statuses surely would help one grow a business quickly.
Lots of money in the government.
Dale
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> I'll leave it at this...
>
> A recruiter this week told me they could not get me more than $120,000 at a
> law firm. This law firm has over 1000 partners and rents office space at
> the
> most exclusive office building in NYC if not North America. The rent is
> around $150/sq foot per year (its famous and the figure been in the
> newspaper).
>
> The want me to the lead Cisco Architect, work with MPLS (I assume they
> meant
> vrf-lite), be the man, develop internal tools, procedures, and oh, yea,
> eventually manage the group. Pretty much every job offer is paying around
> this much...
>
> Nevermind, I made $125,000/yr quite a while back as a CCNP...
>
> I know down in DC CCIE's get TS/"Majestic 12" clearance and bill themselves
> out to John Q. Taxpayer (one CCIE this week told me a bigger number from DC
> than I have ever heard per hour for a CCIE), but for the rest of us, its
> learn something new, or continue to accept degrading living standards AS A
> CCIE
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:05 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> Well, to each their own I guess. Here in the DC area, $140k is indeed
> considered a pretty nice income. Maybe not investment banker grade, but
> still....
>
> As to $200k not being enough and being poverty level...don't know what to
> say to that. Indeed, if that isn't enough money to support a family
> decently
> well then really I don't know what to say. Certainly even in the overpriced
> DC area that is considered pretty reasonable for sure.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:01 PM
> To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> I don't think $140,000 a year is that much money... which is more than most
> CCIE's make.....
>
> I was commenting on the fact that the number is over 17,000 now
> worldwide...
>
> Following supply/demand, supply keeps a climbing, while demand keeps a
> dropping. Not a very good position to be in.
>
> I think the demand is hot if you are willing to work for $120,000 or less
> (not a very good living anymore friend). I'll say it again, I know a lot of
> people in I.T. (all areas) and BOTH husband and wife have to work their ASS
> off each around $100k plus just to pay their mortgage, debt, taxes, etc.
> And don't have a pot to pee in left over...
>
> General Physicians must make a lot more around me, than down there...
> :)
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:52 PM
> To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> Not so sure about your "highly valuable" assessment there Joe....most of
> the ccie's I know make what general physicians make a year, which I
> don't really consider too shabby for not needing 10 years of school and
> $100k minimum in tuition...just my $0.02.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:50 PM
> To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> I saw that... there are still about 4,000 too many in north america for
> it
> to be a "highly valuable" anymore (highly valuable = pays good)
>
> I can't wait 'til I finish security/sp and then I can go for EXCHANGE
> RANGER... Now that is quite rare and valuable... ;) Maybe Oracle Master
> DBA
> after that!
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Paul
> Dardinski
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:44 PM
> To: Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> More CCIE's in Asia then in all of North America, interesting.
>
> Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Antonio Soares
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM
> To: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
>
> Hello group,
>
> We have a new update to the CCIE Worldwide Statistics page:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.htm
> l
>
> See here the progress since January 2006:
>
> http://pwp.netcabo.pt/amsoares/wwccies/wwccies.htm
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares@netcabo.pt
>
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