From: Paul Dardinski (pauld@marshallcomm.com)
Date: Fri Aug 01 2008 - 22:23:17 ART
Well, for sure the cert may lose some of its luster as more folks obtain it. I do agree that over time any skillset will decrease to a "norm" where value drops as more supply is introduced (even doctors and lawyers over time have had to work harder to keep up). As to law firms, etc, I'm sure you are right, but like I said, I know ccie's making more than that and not just in this area.
As to clearances being worth so much etc...not really, at least what I see. I don't have a TS and really most places don't require it, only DoD shops. I am active in some DoD work, but I don't bill out at any outrageous billing rates, DoD won't pay it.
Your mileage may vary of course, generally though in the end I don't do all this crazy crap for the money, it's a losing game. Frankly, only real lasting value is in larger more accepted creds (ie. MBA, PhD). This game is really a treadmill where you have to continue learning or you quickly become a dinosaur. I do this stuff because it also happens to be my passion. I know people will argue the point and say it is all about the money...but I made super-duper crazy money in another business I was in many years ago and could almost have retired then. I got into this because (for this engineer anyway) most of the time it is pretty interesting and fulfilling.
Paul Dardinski (#16842)
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:13 PM
To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
I'll leave it at this...
A recruiter this week told me they could not get me more than $120,000 at a
law firm. This law firm has over 1000 partners and rents office space at the
most exclusive office building in NYC if not North America. The rent is
around $150/sq foot per year (its famous and the figure been in the
newspaper).
The want me to the lead Cisco Architect, work with MPLS (I assume they meant
vrf-lite), be the man, develop internal tools, procedures, and oh, yea,
eventually manage the group. Pretty much every job offer is paying around
this much...
Nevermind, I made $125,000/yr quite a while back as a CCNP...
I know down in DC CCIE's get TS/"Majestic 12" clearance and bill themselves
out to John Q. Taxpayer (one CCIE this week told me a bigger number from DC
than I have ever heard per hour for a CCIE), but for the rest of us, its
learn something new, or continue to accept degrading living standards AS A
CCIE
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:05 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Well, to each their own I guess. Here in the DC area, $140k is indeed
considered a pretty nice income. Maybe not investment banker grade, but
still....
As to $200k not being enough and being poverty level...don't know what to
say to that. Indeed, if that isn't enough money to support a family decently
well then really I don't know what to say. Certainly even in the overpriced
DC area that is considered pretty reasonable for sure.
Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:01 PM
To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
I don't think $140,000 a year is that much money... which is more than most
CCIE's make.....
I was commenting on the fact that the number is over 17,000 now worldwide...
Following supply/demand, supply keeps a climbing, while demand keeps a
dropping. Not a very good position to be in.
I think the demand is hot if you are willing to work for $120,000 or less
(not a very good living anymore friend). I'll say it again, I know a lot of
people in I.T. (all areas) and BOTH husband and wife have to work their ASS
off each around $100k plus just to pay their mortgage, debt, taxes, etc.
And don't have a pot to pee in left over...
General Physicians must make a lot more around me, than down there...
:)
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dardinski [mailto:pauld@marshallcomm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:52 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Not so sure about your "highly valuable" assessment there Joe....most of
the ccie's I know make what general physicians make a year, which I
don't really consider too shabby for not needing 10 years of school and
$100k minimum in tuition...just my $0.02.
Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:50 PM
To: Paul Dardinski; 'Antonio Soares'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
I saw that... there are still about 4,000 too many in north america for
it
to be a "highly valuable" anymore (highly valuable = pays good)
I can't wait 'til I finish security/sp and then I can go for EXCHANGE
RANGER... Now that is quite rare and valuable... ;) Maybe Oracle Master
DBA
after that!
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
Dardinski
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:44 PM
To: Antonio Soares; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
More CCIE's in Asia then in all of North America, interesting.
Paul Dardinski (#16842 RS/Sec)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Antonio Soares
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:03 PM
To: 'Cisco certification'
Subject: CCIE Worldwide Statistics - Update
Hello group,
We have a new update to the CCIE Worldwide Statistics page:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.htm
l
See here the progress since January 2006:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/amsoares/wwccies/wwccies.htm
Regards,
Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
amsoares@netcabo.pt
Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
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