From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 22 2008 - 21:34:27 ART
As a matter fact, neither one of these guys or the work books that they
wrote have anything to do with official curriculum that is used in any of
the Cisco official classes, these books are sold for 40 - 60 dollars,
whereas, the work book/s that you get by attending the official class
through a partner is around 200 dollars and they can not be bought by a
student, unless that student attends the class.
As far as the official books are concerned, they may or may not be written
by CLSPs, they are contracted out to a firm, that firm may or may not
contract it to another firm, and its not like Cisco has a department that
goes through the book page by page.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ramy Sisy <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Narbik for the clarification,
> I believe that all CCxA, and CCxP curriculums were developed by Cisco's
> CLSPs under Cisco's supervision, so nothing different for CCIE curriculum.
>
> Wendell Odom is writing for Cisco press to develop Cisco Press authorized
> books and delivering Cisco authorized training for a CLSP using his valid
> CCSI.
> Todd Lamele is writing for Sybex but he is developing his own course ware
> using his CCSI which might be violating Cisco's authorized training
> policies
> if he is not an authorized Cisco training partner.
>
> Anyway, I LOVE new CCIE training policies to regulate and organize CCIE
> training instead of hearing about new workbooks and boot camps every day
> from weird sites and people.
>
> I believe the main reason behind this is to educate CCIE candidates about
> legal vs. illegal training companies and course ware.
>
>
> BEST REGARDS,
>
> RAMY SISY, CCIE X 2 (SECURITY, ROUTING/SWITCHING)#17321, CCSI#30417
> CCIE PROGRAM MANAGER
>
> INSPIRED MASTER
> INSPIRING CREATIVE THINKING ....
>
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> E. RAMYSISY@INSPIREDMASTER.COM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:49 PM
> To: Ramy Sisy
> Cc: Fahad Khan; GS CCIE-Lab; smorris@internetworkexpert.com; Brian
> McGahan;
> Joseph Brunner; bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> Subject: Re: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
>
> Ramy guess what? the official CCIE curriculum will be based on one of the
> vendors, and as a matter of fact, this is one time that i totally disagree
> with what they are trying to do (That's if it ever happens).
> If you look at the official CCNA or CCNP curriculum/book and then compare
> it
> to one of the vendors that offer the CCNA and/or have a CCNA or CCNP work
> book (For example Todd Lamele and/or Wendell Odom's) you will quickly see
> that its all business and have nothing to do with the reason/s you
> mentioned.
>
> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Ramy Sisy <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Fahad,
> > Each vendor has his own tricks to attract people to their products so
> > sometimes some vendors can create complicated questions to indirectly
> > affect
> > people's thoughts that they will lose without their products. That is why
> > Cisco is coming up with official CCIE curriculum in the near future to
> > standardize CCIE training.
> >
> > Maybe this is not the case here as I believe in IE professional
> > deliverables, but in general, I recommend you to be very cool and never
> > panic about any little trick like what you have in your mail.
> >
> > Do your best to study hard and you will be fine.
> >
> > BEST REGARDS,
> >
> > RAMY SISY, CCIE X 2 (SECURITY, ROUTING/SWITCHING)#17321, CCSI#30417
> > CCIE PROGRAM MANAGER
> >
> > INSPIRED MASTER
> > INSPIRING CREATIVE THINKING ....
> >
> > WWW.INSPIREDMASTER.COM <http://www.inspiredmaster.com/> <
> http://www.inspiredmaster.com/>
> > E. RAMYSISY@INSPIREDMASTER.COM
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Fahad Khan
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:08 PM
> > To: GS CCIE-Lab
> > Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; Narbik Kocharians; Brian McGahan;
> > Joseph
> > Brunner; bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > Subject: Re: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
> >
> > Dear All and specially all respected instructors,
> >
> > For my CCIE lab exam preparation , I have been going thorugh DOC CD
> > (Configuration guides, Command ref guides, Design guides, tech notes,
> > different white papers, FAQs and other relevant stuff on cisco site) and
> > other practice labs. But the important thing I want to ask that these
> kind
> > of things (like in this thread, use of ext ACL for IGPs) i didnt find in
> > DOC
> > CD. Kindly let me know where and how can I find such strange and hidden
> > things on cisco portal. I will be very thankful to you.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> >
> > On 7/22/08, Larry <cc13lab@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Fahad,
> > >
> > > Here is a link explaining it with RIP:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/category/ccie-routing-switching/interior-
> > gateway-routing/page/2/
> > >
> > >
> > > hth
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/22/08, Fahad Khan <fahad.khan@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> well, i am still unable to understand , how Ext ACL is used in
> RIP(with
> > >> dist-list) and why? Can any one shed more light over it?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks and regards,
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Huan Pham <pnhuan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Khan,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for the example. Appearently, the use of extended ACL in the
> > BGP
> > >> > example is another hair pulling exersize.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > But we can use extended ACL for RIP as well, as shown in my example.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- On *Tue, 7/22/08, Fahad Khan <fahad.khan@gmail.com>* wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > From: Fahad Khan <fahad.khan@gmail.com>
> > >> > Subject: Re: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
> > >> > To: "Huan Pham" <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>
> > >> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> > Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:00 PM
> > >> >
> > >> > Futher more,
> > >> >
> > >> > Remember! IP access-list number <1-199> (shown below) is meaning
> full
> > >> > *only*,
> > >> > when you want to perform route filtering in *BGP*
> > >> >
> > >> > R1(config-router)#distribute-list ?
> > >> > <1-199> IP access list number
> > >> > <1300-2699> IP expanded access list number
> > >> > WORD Access-list name
> > >> > gateway Filtering incoming updates based on gateway
> > >> > prefix Filter prefixes in routing updates
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > In rip and other IGPs, distribute-list works with standard ACL
> only
> > >> but
> > >> > in BGP it can work with extanded ACL as well.
> > >> >
> > >> > Go through the link below,
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> >
>
> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a00801310cb
> > .shtml#acclists
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks and regards,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Huan Pham
> > >> > <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi GS,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I can not find the guide on the use of extended ACL to filter RIP
> > >> > > routes. May someone please point me the link to this section. Many
> > >> > > thanks.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The following config is from a vendor workbook. It's to prevent
> the
> > >> > > route 150.1.7.0/24 learnt via router 155.1.0.1 off interface
> > Serial0.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > access-list 199 deny ip host 155.1.0.1 host 150.1.7.0
> > >> > > access-list 199 permit ip any any
> > >> > >
> > >> > > router rip
> > >> > > version 2
> > >> > > network 150.1.0.0
> > >> > > network 155.1.0.0
> > >> > > distribute-list 199 in Serial0
> > >> > > no auto-summary
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I usually make mistake with creating extended ACL for this
> purpose.
> > I
> > >> do
> > >> > > tend to put subnet route first (source address portion), and the
> > >> gateway
> > >> > > after (destination address). The right ACL should be created in
> the
> > >> > > reverse order, as above. I can not find relevant info in the RIP
> > >> > > configuration guide, nor in command reference. Help in
> understanding
> > >> > > this command is appreciated.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Huan,
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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