From: Scott Morris (smorris@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Tue Jul 22 2008 - 22:13:11 ART
Somewhere I think we took a very strange turn....
The CCIE is about THOUGHT PROCESS. Yes, each vendor does things
differently. I would hesitate to call them special "tricks" though because
there's nothing unique that could NOT be done everyplace. It's just that
each one has a different style of writing labs and creating mayhem.
As long as the same blueprint is covered, where do you draw a line on
whether it's Todd's version of Wendell's version of precisely the same
materials? It's just that Wendell and his CCSI can use some additional
features for derived content IF he wants to. When I wrote the multicast
chapter for CCIE Practical Studies Vol2, it was a Cisco Press book, and they
mentioned my CCSI in the author notes.
There was nothing different about how that chapter was written though than
if I were going to write it for Sybex, Wiley, or any other number of
publishers.
The CCIE curriculum is a concept in motion, but even in the end it won't be
the END of any line. Just like with regular CCNA/CCNP classes, anyone is
free to go off the "proper" path. The difference, as Narbik points out, is
a financial one regarding authorized versus non-authorized stuff.
Royalties aren't a way to measure one successful product versus another.
Neither is a concept of some perceived trick. The CCIE is about learning
and about teaching a thought process. There are many ways to do that. And
I fully expect that the actual CCIE labs will still remain separate,
different, and distinct from ANY curriculum whether properly blessed or not.
Things will be changing in the training space, but now is not really the
time and this is not really the place to debate the merits of it. If you
want to know how the development process works for any course, unicast me.
Given the idea that Todd Lammle and many others are still offering their own
concepts of CCNA/CCNP training many years after Cisco introduced the CLP
program and authorized content, I would not expect to see any reduction of
new workbooks from those "weird sites and people".
If you want one thing that actually has ALL of the tricks and strange
possibilities in one place (and it's "authorized")..... Look at the DocCD.
Granted, the explanations sometimes suck. And there are occasional errors.
But I absolutely guarantee that you can find everything in there someplace!
Scott Morris, CCIE4 #4713, JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
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Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
-----Original Message-----
From: Ramy Sisy [mailto:ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:14 PM
To: 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'Ramy Sisy'
Cc: 'Fahad Khan'; 'GS CCIE-Lab'; smorris@internetworkexpert.com; 'Brian
McGahan'; 'Joseph Brunner'; bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
Subject: RE: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
Thanks Narbik for the clarification,
I believe that all CCxA, and CCxP curriculums were developed by Cisco's
CLSPs under Cisco's supervision, so nothing different for CCIE curriculum.
Wendell Odom is writing for Cisco press to develop Cisco Press authorized
books and delivering Cisco authorized training for a CLSP using his valid
CCSI.
Todd Lamele is writing for Sybex but he is developing his own course ware
using his CCSI which might be violating Cisco's authorized training policies
if he is not an authorized Cisco training partner.
Anyway, I LOVE new CCIE training policies to regulate and organize CCIE
training instead of hearing about new workbooks and boot camps every day
from weird sites and people.
I believe the main reason behind this is to educate CCIE candidates about
legal vs. illegal training companies and course ware.
BEST REGARDS,
RAMY SISY, CCIE X 2 (SECURITY, ROUTING/SWITCHING)#17321, CCSI#30417 CCIE
PROGRAM MANAGER
INSPIRED MASTER
INSPIRING CREATIVE THINKING ....
WWW.INSPIREDMASTER.COM
E. RAMYSISY@INSPIREDMASTER.COM
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:49 PM
To: Ramy Sisy
Cc: Fahad Khan; GS CCIE-Lab; smorris@internetworkexpert.com; Brian McGahan;
Joseph Brunner; bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
Subject: Re: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
Ramy guess what? the official CCIE curriculum will be based on one of the
vendors, and as a matter of fact, this is one time that i totally disagree
with what they are trying to do (That's if it ever happens).
If you look at the official CCNA or CCNP curriculum/book and then compare it
to one of the vendors that offer the CCNA and/or have a CCNA or CCNP work
book (For example Todd Lamele and/or Wendell Odom's) you will quickly see
that its all business and have nothing to do with the reason/s you
mentioned.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Ramy Sisy <ramysisy@inspiredmaster.com>
wrote:
> Hi Fahad,
> Each vendor has his own tricks to attract people to their products so
> sometimes some vendors can create complicated questions to indirectly
> affect people's thoughts that they will lose without their products.
> That is why Cisco is coming up with official CCIE curriculum in the
> near future to standardize CCIE training.
>
> Maybe this is not the case here as I believe in IE professional
> deliverables, but in general, I recommend you to be very cool and
> never panic about any little trick like what you have in your mail.
>
> Do your best to study hard and you will be fine.
>
> BEST REGARDS,
>
> RAMY SISY, CCIE X 2 (SECURITY, ROUTING/SWITCHING)#17321, CCSI#30417
> CCIE PROGRAM MANAGER
>
> INSPIRED MASTER
> INSPIRING CREATIVE THINKING ....
>
> WWW.INSPIREDMASTER.COM <http://www.inspiredmaster.com/> E.
> RAMYSISY@INSPIREDMASTER.COM
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Fahad Khan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:08 PM
> To: GS CCIE-Lab
> Cc: smorris@internetworkexpert.com; Narbik Kocharians; Brian McGahan;
> Joseph Brunner; bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> Subject: Re: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
>
> Dear All and specially all respected instructors,
>
> For my CCIE lab exam preparation , I have been going thorugh DOC CD
> (Configuration guides, Command ref guides, Design guides, tech notes,
> different white papers, FAQs and other relevant stuff on cisco site)
> and other practice labs. But the important thing I want to ask that
> these kind of things (like in this thread, use of ext ACL for IGPs) i
> didnt find in DOC CD. Kindly let me know where and how can I find such
> strange and hidden things on cisco portal. I will be very thankful to
> you.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
>
> On 7/22/08, Larry <cc13lab@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fahad,
> >
> > Here is a link explaining it with RIP:
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/category/ccie-routing-switching/interior-
> gateway-routing/page/2/
> >
> >
> > hth
> >
> >
> > On 7/22/08, Fahad Khan <fahad.khan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> well, i am still unable to understand , how Ext ACL is used in
> >> RIP(with
> >> dist-list) and why? Can any one shed more light over it?
> >>
> >> Thanks and regards,
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Huan Pham <pnhuan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Khan,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the example. Appearently, the use of extended ACL in
> >> > the
> BGP
> >> > example is another hair pulling exersize.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > But we can use extended ACL for RIP as well, as shown in my example.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On *Tue, 7/22/08, Fahad Khan <fahad.khan@gmail.com>* wrote:
> >> >
> >> > From: Fahad Khan <fahad.khan@gmail.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: RIP route filtering using Extended ACL
> >> > To: "Huan Pham" <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>
> >> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:00 PM
> >> >
> >> > Futher more,
> >> >
> >> > Remember! IP access-list number <1-199> (shown below) is meaning
> >> > full *only*, when you want to perform route filtering in *BGP*
> >> >
> >> > R1(config-router)#distribute-list ?
> >> > <1-199> IP access list number
> >> > <1300-2699> IP expanded access list number
> >> > WORD Access-list name
> >> > gateway Filtering incoming updates based on gateway
> >> > prefix Filter prefixes in routing updates
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In rip and other IGPs, distribute-list works with standard ACL
only
> >> but
> >> > in BGP it can work with extanded ACL as well.
> >> >
> >> > Go through the link below,
> >> >
> >>
>
>
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a00801310cb
> .shtml#acclists
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks and regards,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Huan Pham
> >> > <Huan.Pham@peopletelecom.com.au>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi GS,
> >> > >
> >> > > I can not find the guide on the use of extended ACL to filter
> >> > > RIP routes. May someone please point me the link to this
> >> > > section. Many thanks.
> >> > >
> >> > > The following config is from a vendor workbook. It's to prevent
> >> > > the route 150.1.7.0/24 learnt via router 155.1.0.1 off
> >> > > interface
> Serial0.
> >> > >
> >> > > access-list 199 deny ip host 155.1.0.1 host 150.1.7.0
> >> > > access-list 199 permit ip any any
> >> > >
> >> > > router rip
> >> > > version 2
> >> > > network 150.1.0.0
> >> > > network 155.1.0.0
> >> > > distribute-list 199 in Serial0 no auto-summary
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I usually make mistake with creating extended ACL for this purpose.
> I
> >> do
> >> > > tend to put subnet route first (source address portion), and the
> >> gateway
> >> > > after (destination address). The right ACL should be created in the
> >> > > reverse order, as above. I can not find relevant info in the RIP
> >> > > configuration guide, nor in command reference. Help in
understanding
> >> > > this command is appreciated.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Huan,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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