From: nrf (noglikirf@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun May 11 2008 - 04:42:37 ART
>What the difference if a person sits the CCIE Lab 20 times and then passes or
takes 20 - 30 Vendor >CCIE Labs and then passes in the first attempt. I've
seen people fail after using the vendors 20-30 labs >too on the first try.
Pray tell, what exactly is a "vendor CCIE lab"? How exactly does one pass a
"vendor CCIE lab"?
Now, if you're referring to people using practice labs, then that's really the
answer to your question. They're PRACTICE, and by definition, you don't
really pass a "practice" lab because that's not a real attempt. That would be
like the Patriots saying that they won all of their "practice" Superbowls, so
now they deserve to win the actual Superbowl. No, practice is practice. You
practice to prepare to win the real game.
Which leads, again, to the key difference that I have been illustrating. You
can "play" the real CCIE over and over again until they finally pass. But the
Patriots can't "play" the Superbowl over and over until they finally win.
Similarly, in the example you raised, you can't attend the Navy Nuclear Power
program over and over until you finally pass.
>My point is that brute forcing a CCIE Lab need not mean that one simply goes
to the CCIE Lab more than 1-3 >times. I assume there are more that 3, 6, or
even 20 current CCIE Labs at any given time anyway. So what >difference does
it make?
I think I explained this quite clearly before - please read my posts again.
Like I said, if you keep taking the exam over and over again, you are
eventually going to get a version of the test that asks you questions that you
know well (and doesn't ask you questions that you don't know well). Either
that, or you are going to get a version that you've seen before. It's a
simple matter of statistics.
>What's the difference? Please explain. There is some value to becoming a
CCIE or people would not >even both taking the lab more than once anyway,
would they?
I never said there was no value in becoming a CCIE. In fact, it is PRECISELY
because there is value in the process is why people are spending time debating
these points. After all, why debate something that has no value anyway?
The issue is that the ability to take the exam infinite times DEVALUES the
process. If Cisco were to place reasonable limits to the number of attempts,
then the process would be MORE valuable. Having infinite attempts inevitably
means that some people are simply not going to prepare properly, figuring that
they might get lucky, and even if they don't, who cares, it's not that much
money and not that much time anyway, a notion that is exacerbated if your
employer is paying.
>NRF are you a CCIE?
Does it matter?
Let me put it to you this way. Let's say I had in fact passed the CCIE.
Would you now change your mind? Be honest.
If the honest answer is no, you wouldn't change your mind, then it doesn't
really matter if I'm a CCIE, now does it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Isabella Figarella
To: Ernest McCaleb
Cc: nrf ; ccielab@groupstudy.com ; comserv@groupstudy.com
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
NRF,
What the difference if a person sits the CCIE Lab 20 times and then passes
or takes 20 - 30 Vendor CCIE Labs and then passes in the first attempt. I've
seen people fail after using the vendors 20-30 labs too on the first try.
My point is that brute forcing a CCIE Lab need not mean that one simply goes
to the CCIE Lab more than 1-3 times. I assume there are more that 3, 6, or
even 20 current CCIE Labs at any given time anyway. So what difference does
it make?
What's the difference? Please explain. There is some value to becoming a
CCIE or people would not even both taking the lab more than once anyway, would
they?
NRF are you a CCIE?
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