From: Liban malabow (libanmohamed@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun May 11 2008 - 09:57:27 ART
WoW,
Man you gave me headache just reading, if you truly
believe someone with CCIE regardless of how they
achieved can walk in to an Employer,and gets the job
because of his/her CCIE, then you are in LALA world,
people with CCIE are expected to answer all questions,
and perform CCIE level, if let's say you make it the
interview portion, and your manager gives you a task
that requires you to use your CCIE skill, and you have
no clue WTH you doing then expect to get your pink
slip right away by friend. so to ANYONE who think
after CCIE life gets easy, they are dreaming. You
better be ready to back that number you have in your
resume.
--- nrf <noglikirf@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >What the difference if a person sits the CCIE Lab
> 20 times and then passes or
> takes 20 - 30 Vendor >CCIE Labs and then passes in
> the first attempt. I've
> seen people fail after using the vendors 20-30 labs
> >too on the first try.
>
> Pray tell, what exactly is a "vendor CCIE lab"? How
> exactly does one pass a
> "vendor CCIE lab"?
>
> Now, if you're referring to people using practice
> labs, then that's really the
> answer to your question. They're PRACTICE, and by
> definition, you don't
> really pass a "practice" lab because that's not a
> real attempt. That would be
> like the Patriots saying that they won all of their
> "practice" Superbowls, so
> now they deserve to win the actual Superbowl. No,
> practice is practice. You
> practice to prepare to win the real game.
>
> Which leads, again, to the key difference that I
> have been illustrating. You
> can "play" the real CCIE over and over again until
> they finally pass. But the
> Patriots can't "play" the Superbowl over and over
> until they finally win.
> Similarly, in the example you raised, you can't
> attend the Navy Nuclear Power
> program over and over until you finally pass.
>
> >My point is that brute forcing a CCIE Lab need not
> mean that one simply goes
> to the CCIE Lab more than 1-3 >times. I assume
> there are more that 3, 6, or
> even 20 current CCIE Labs at any given time anyway.
> So what >difference does
> it make?
>
> I think I explained this quite clearly before -
> please read my posts again.
> Like I said, if you keep taking the exam over and
> over again, you are
> eventually going to get a version of the test that
> asks you questions that you
> know well (and doesn't ask you questions that you
> don't know well). Either
> that, or you are going to get a version that you've
> seen before. It's a
> simple matter of statistics.
>
>
> >What's the difference? Please explain. There is
> some value to becoming a
> CCIE or people would not >even both taking the lab
> more than once anyway,
> would they?
>
> I never said there was no value in becoming a CCIE.
> In fact, it is PRECISELY
> because there is value in the process is why people
> are spending time debating
> these points. After all, why debate something that
> has no value anyway?
>
> The issue is that the ability to take the exam
> infinite times DEVALUES the
> process. If Cisco were to place reasonable limits
> to the number of attempts,
> then the process would be MORE valuable. Having
> infinite attempts inevitably
> means that some people are simply not going to
> prepare properly, figuring that
> they might get lucky, and even if they don't, who
> cares, it's not that much
> money and not that much time anyway, a notion that
> is exacerbated if your
> employer is paying.
>
> >NRF are you a CCIE?
>
> Does it matter?
>
> Let me put it to you this way. Let's say I had in
> fact passed the CCIE.
> Would you now change your mind? Be honest.
>
> If the honest answer is no, you wouldn't change your
> mind, then it doesn't
> really matter if I'm a CCIE, now does it?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isabella Figarella
> To: Ernest McCaleb
> Cc: nrf ; ccielab@groupstudy.com ;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:08 AM
> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
>
> NRF,
>
> What the difference if a person sits the CCIE Lab
> 20 times and then passes
> or takes 20 - 30 Vendor CCIE Labs and then passes in
> the first attempt. I've
> seen people fail after using the vendors 20-30 labs
> too on the first try.
>
> My point is that brute forcing a CCIE Lab need not
> mean that one simply goes
> to the CCIE Lab more than 1-3 times. I assume there
> are more that 3, 6, or
> even 20 current CCIE Labs at any given time anyway.
> So what difference does
> it make?
>
>
>
> What's the difference? Please explain. There
> is some value to becoming a
> CCIE or people would not even both taking the lab
> more than once anyway, would
> they?
>
> NRF are you a CCIE?
>
>
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