From: Ernest McCaleb (emccaleb@gmail.com)
Date: Sun May 11 2008 - 22:27:57 ART
Jamie,
Relax, he's simply a troll. Whenever the words "college" and "ccie" appear
in a thread he's awakened.
E
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Jamie Brogdon <jamie.brogdon@verizon.net>
wrote:
> NRF,
>
> Can you please stop the tirade?
>
> To be honest, nobody cares whether you are or are not an IE. Nobody
> cares whether you think there should be a limited number of attempts.
> Nobody cares whether you think the CCIE is less valuable than a college
> degree. Basically, nobody cares!
>
> Let's get back to the reason we are here... AND that is to do knowledge
> transfer for folks who want to better themselves... THE END!
>
> Jamie Brogdon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> nrf
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:43 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
>
> >What the difference if a person sits the CCIE Lab 20 times and then
> >passes or
> takes 20 - 30 Vendor >CCIE Labs and then passes in the first attempt.
> I've seen people fail after using the vendors 20-30 labs >too on the
> first try.
>
> Pray tell, what exactly is a "vendor CCIE lab"? How exactly does one
> pass a "vendor CCIE lab"?
>
> Now, if you're referring to people using practice labs, then that's
> really the answer to your question. They're PRACTICE, and by
> definition, you don't really pass a "practice" lab because that's not a
> real attempt. That would be like the Patriots saying that they won all
> of their "practice" Superbowls, so now they deserve to win the actual
> Superbowl. No, practice is practice. You practice to prepare to win
> the real game.
>
> Which leads, again, to the key difference that I have been illustrating.
> You can "play" the real CCIE over and over again until they finally
> pass. But the Patriots can't "play" the Superbowl over and over until
> they finally win. Similarly, in the example you raised, you can't attend
> the Navy Nuclear Power program over and over until you finally pass.
>
> >My point is that brute forcing a CCIE Lab need not mean that one simply
>
> >goes
> to the CCIE Lab more than 1-3 >times. I assume there are more that 3,
> 6, or even 20 current CCIE Labs at any given time anyway. So what
> >difference does it make?
>
> I think I explained this quite clearly before - please read my posts
> again. Like I said, if you keep taking the exam over and over again, you
> are eventually going to get a version of the test that asks you
> questions that you know well (and doesn't ask you questions that you
> don't know well). Either that, or you are going to get a version that
> you've seen before. It's a simple matter of statistics.
>
>
> >What's the difference? Please explain. There is some value to
> becoming a
> CCIE or people would not >even both taking the lab more than once
> anyway, would they?
>
> I never said there was no value in becoming a CCIE. In fact, it is
> PRECISELY because there is value in the process is why people are
> spending time debating these points. After all, why debate something
> that has no value anyway?
>
> The issue is that the ability to take the exam infinite times DEVALUES
> the process. If Cisco were to place reasonable limits to the number of
> attempts,
> then the process would be MORE valuable. Having infinite attempts
> inevitably
> means that some people are simply not going to prepare properly,
> figuring that they might get lucky, and even if they don't, who cares,
> it's not that much money and not that much time anyway, a notion that is
> exacerbated if your employer is paying.
>
> >NRF are you a CCIE?
>
> Does it matter?
>
> Let me put it to you this way. Let's say I had in fact passed the CCIE.
> Would you now change your mind? Be honest.
>
> If the honest answer is no, you wouldn't change your mind, then it
> doesn't really matter if I'm a CCIE, now does it?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isabella Figarella
> To: Ernest McCaleb
> Cc: nrf ; ccielab@groupstudy.com ; comserv@groupstudy.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:08 AM
> Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
>
>
> NRF,
>
> What the difference if a person sits the CCIE Lab 20 times and then
> passes or takes 20 - 30 Vendor CCIE Labs and then passes in the first
> attempt. I've seen people fail after using the vendors 20-30 labs too
> on the first try.
>
> My point is that brute forcing a CCIE Lab need not mean that one
> simply goes to the CCIE Lab more than 1-3 times. I assume there are
> more that 3, 6, or even 20 current CCIE Labs at any given time anyway.
> So what difference does it make?
>
>
>
> What's the difference? Please explain. There is some value to
> becoming a
> CCIE or people would not even both taking the lab more than once anyway,
> would they?
>
> NRF are you a CCIE?
>
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