From: Piyoush Sharma (piyoush@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 2008 - 23:51:45 ART
Hi,
Most companies today have realized that highly skilled ppl dont want to be
taken advantage of.. as a result they've trained their eyes on the
immigrants; anyone who comes to US for work, expects to apply for permanent
status within the 6yrs of his starting work... companies know that and tend
to exploit it. Once a company filed your paperwork, you cannot leave.. which
means the HR can afford not to give you that big fat raise you were hoping
and there's not a damn thing you can do about it...
The unfortunate part (as I have discovered off late) is that you need
permanent status here to earn good money or have good contacts to get a good
contract position who'd work with a consultant on visa.
So for fresh immigrants ( or even technical guys who come to work here..).
they need to get into a full time position b4 any company would foot that GC
bill... typical wait times are abt 2-3yrs.. or more..
Presto!! you got a guy who's gonna work for peanuts (pretty much) for at
least 3-5 years before you need to worry about raising his/her salary to
what it should be...
Just my thoughts..(and part experience!)
Piyoush.
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Dane Newman <dane.newman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks guys for the heads up on health insurance. Even though I am a
> young
> guy I feel the need to get some.
>
> Dane
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Which you may also be able to do through different group memberships
> such
> > as
> > IEEE, etc.
> >
> > Just more options to assist!
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> >
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brian McGahan
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:03 PM
> > To: Joseph Brunner
> > Cc: 'Dane Newman'; 'Gary Duncanson'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: contract or perm?
> >
> > You may also want to take a look at the National Association for the
> Self
> > Employed: http://www.nase.org. I used to get group health insurance
> > through
> > one of their providers when I was 1099.
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> > --
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
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> > Joseph Brunner wrote:
> > > Repost:
> > >
> > > On 3/28/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure here in NYC we have H.I.P. and the "freelancers union" both offer
> > > group insurance. I hear HIP is pretty good insurance.
> > >
> > > Check out the freelancers union's page
> > >
> > > http://www.freelancersunion.org/
> > >
> > > Maybe their states covered are your state?
> > >
> > > You can do "indemnity insurance", which my doctor recommended I do
> > > instead of health insurance. It simply pays for anything if you have
> > > the right policy. And yes, of course, there are ways with the right
> > > corporate structure employee's insurance is a full deduction. Maybe
> > > its time to incorporate?
> > >
> > > -J
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > > Of Dane Newman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:55 PM
> > > To: Gary Duncanson
> > > Cc: Joseph Brunner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: contract or perm?
> > >
> > > There is good and bad to both. I have been contracting free lance now
> > > for about 6 months and would never go back. As a perm employee I
> > > worked every weekend and till midnight more times then not and hated
> > > every unpaid min of it. It seems the more you know and the better you
> > > are at your job the more they demand of you. I would never ever go
> back
> > to full time employement.
> > >
> > >
> > > Heres a question for Joseph I know you mentioned cheap way for health
> > > insurance what was that for New Yorkers again?
> > >
> > > Dane
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/15/08, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The permy also gets holiday pay, sick pay and the *potential* of
> > >> career progression. Don't forget that. It's important as the metric
> > >> in terms of earnings between permy and contractor contract.
> > >>
> > >> Personally Im paid by the hour yes, but I do not stop the clock nor
> > >> do I bill for overruns..unless they are exceptionally long.
> > >>
> > >> Contract or permy..the infrastructure needs defending. Having come
> > >> through support earning stripes through the years before joining the
> > >> designer 'officer ranks' I understand that.
> > >>
> > >> As for police, and fire..well I don't think that's a fair comparison
> > >> at all. Confront the situations those guys have to deal with Joe, I
> > >> think you would shit your pants buddy and forget your hourly rate.
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Brunner" <
> > >> joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > >> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; <
> > >> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:14 PM
> > >> Subject: RE: contract or perm?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> All that matters is that you are paid BY THE HOUR...
> > >>
> > >>> If you work for a full-time job you have to work weekends, nights
> > >>> and other "maintenance periods" for FREE!
> > >>>
> > >>> The hourly employee gets the bets of both worlds... weekdays to
> > >>> attend meetings, do designs, discuss the plan, and weekends to keep
> > >>> the clock ticking at a nice hourly rate!
> > >>>
> > >>> Do not short your family or yourself! Police, fire, and civil
> > >>> service often are paid by the hour- aren't you worth it?
> > >>>
> > >>> -Joe
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > >>> Of Gary Duncanson
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:42 PM
> > >>> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >>> Subject: contract or perm?
> > >>>
> > >>> Group,
> > >>>
> > >>> I realise that this could potentially turn into a difficult thread
> > >>> but I think those with emotional intelligence will prevent that!
> > >>>
> > >>> I wonder if folks could post the benefits of being contract or permy
> > >>> these days in terms of cisco network/engineer/designer employment.
> > >>>
> > >>> Things have changed..
> > >>>
> > >>> In 1997 companies charged $2000 dollars a day (per technician) for
> > >>> Joe's idiot son to install Windows 95 according to the idiots
> > >>> instructions to move from Novell to NT..*sigh*
> > >>>
> > >>> *caveat* the drive mappings didn't work, nor the printing!
> > >>>
> > >>> *further caveat* Apologies in advance to Joe's mom,
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm sure she's a nice lady who makes great gumbo!
> > >>>
> > >>> It's a different landscape these days but how are you doing?
> > >>>
> > >>>
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