From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Sat Mar 01 2008 - 13:49:26 ARST
hehehe hurray for the little guy. Smaller shops may find all that extra
hiring requirement to get the status they crave somewhat difficult!
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
To: "'Joseph Brunner'" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; "'Colin McNamara'"
<colin@2cups.com>; "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 3:01 AM
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
> Used to be able to... But now the requirements are that you have to have
> SEPARATE people. :) even Premiere partner requires three physically
> distinct people.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:26 PM
> To: 'Colin McNamara'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
>>you WILL make less when you finally go to a partner
>
> WTF?
>
> Doesn't anyone start their OWN company any more?
>
> Why can't a CCIE become a partner!
>
> As soon as my guy takes his cisco sales expert blah cert.
>
> We'll have advanced routing & advanced security status.
>
> One question?
>
> If you are a quad jedi can you yourself staff the 4 CCIE requirements of a
> gold partner?
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Colin McNamara
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:21 PM
> To: Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. But if you read the
> verbiage it says that the Partner must have x number of employees full
> time.
> There is not a penalty to you, the CCIE being used in that audit
> submission.
>
> That being said, don't be retarded and sell your number. Not only does it
> play games with the entire channel structure, you WILL make less when you
> finally go to a partner, and they have to wait a year for your # to come
> free.
>
> --
> Colin McNamara
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> "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little
> longer"
>
> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 16:53 -0700, Scott Vermillion wrote:
>> Hey Darth,
>>
>>
>> If you read the rules in the link that I posted up, it says that CCIEs
> must
>> be full-time employees/contractors that are dedicated *exclusively* to
>> the partner in question. In other words, if you rent your number out
>> for $2k
> or
>> $3k/month, $24k or $36k should be your total annual income! Check the
> link.
>> I don't think there's an ambiguity whatsoever, personally. Also,
>> there's
> a
>> common sense test here. Why would Cisco allow/endorse this? Why
>> would
> they
>> establish the 4 x CCIE requirement in the first place if they were
>> going
> to
>> allow/endorse this practice whereby the CCIE do nothing at all except
>> cash
> a
>> monthly check? Are Cisco's customers benefitting from this? Is
>> Cisco's image in the marketplace being enhanced by this? Does this
>> add value to
> the
>> Gold partner status and how paying customers perceive it? Who is
>> benefitting from this and how does that tie to Cisco's bottom line?
>>
>>
>>
>> For me it's not so much a question of ethics (these are our own to
>> interpret/implement in our daily lives). It's a question of devaluing
>> the CCIE for the broader community in order to selfishly turn a few
>> bucks for yourself. That's what I personally have the problem with.
>> You want Gold status? Go hire four CCIEs at market rate. No shortcuts.
> No cheating.
> No
>> leaving four perfectly qualified CCIEs looking for work while this
>> under-the-table exchange takes place between one dishonest partner and
> four
>> dishonest and/or unenlightened CCIEs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: darth router [mailto:darklordrouter@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:37 PM
>> To: Hash!!!
>> Cc: Joseph Brunner; Scott Vermillion; Darren Johnson; Cisco
>> certification
>> Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I read into it months ago, i think it said something to the
>> extent
> that
>> you had to be "on" a full time contract. That doesn't mean you have to
> work
>> X amount of hours, but just be available. These things are not defined
>> in the rules, so technically selling your number is not breaking any
> rules.
>> People keep talking ethics, but until cisco says we can't do it, we
>> aren't breaching any ethical boundaries. Why doesn't someone just
>> submit a
> support
>> ticket and ask?
>>
>> DR
>>
>> On 2/29/08, Hash!!! <hashng@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Johnson,
>>
>> The bottom line is ...it's against the rules to sell your ID. You can
>> work as a contractor in the company but not totally sell your id.
>> Cisco
> mentioned
>> that at least 2 CCIEs must be Full time employees that leverage you to
>> do that but not Implying selling the Number.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>>
>> Hash
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of
>>
>> Joseph Brunner
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:08 PM
>> To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>>
>> This doesn't really matter, and does not prove anything.
>>
>> The GOLD PARNTER can just pay someone say $50,000 on a W2 as a CCIE
>> and
> for
>> that I agree to let them USE my number, and do at least 1 conference
>> call with their clients each month. There would be no way to tell how
>> many
> hours
>> the guy was there...
>>
>> That seems like fair use to me... How about you guys?
>>
>> Therefore, I am an employee. The deal is I'm never there, yet I still
>> get paid. They get a CCIE's number for their roster and a low salary
>> no sane CCIE would work for...
>>
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Scott Vermillion
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:51 PM
>> To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>>
>> Hey Darren,
>>
>> The bottom line is that you cannot do what you're proposing. Last
>> time
> this
>> came up, I (or somebody - maybe it wasn't be after all) went and found
>> the audit rules for partner status. Those made very, very clear that
>> any CCIE numbers being used for partner status had to be *full-time*
>> regular employees and that (IIRC), the auditor could review payroll
>> records, etc,
> to
>> validate that the CCIE was an active, daily participant in the business.
>>
>> I'm in the same situation. I work independently and thus my number
> floats.
>> I don't really want to work in a partner/reseller environment, though,
>> so that aspect of my number holds no value. Oh well...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Darren Johnson
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:41 AM
>> To: 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: Unassigned CCIE query.
>>
>> Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an
>> unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a
>> position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent'
>> out my CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my
>> present employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed
> skeptical of it.
>>
>> Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if
>> renting out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is
>> possible/legal and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how
>> it works. I want
> to
>> get as much value out of my cert as possible.
>>
>> Thanks for ANY advice
>>
>> Darren
>> #20078
>>
>>
>>
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