From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Sat Mar 01 2008 - 15:44:46 ARST
As a side note:
Is there any end user company that will "only buy from a gold partner"?
I think most of the companies I know want far far more than 38% off list...
(they want 50%+ off list) and for that we go to networkhardware.com
When you are buy two of everything and allowing NO SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE
(all my designs) what difference does "new but used" make?
I think Cisco's partner model needs adjusting... if the only value gold
partners bring is the discount how long will that last?
Most of the support I see being done by tac - customer's don't want gold
partners billing $200+ per hour to configure a few vlans anyway...
They just get those guys they hired with "CCNA or CCIE required ads" on dice
to open a support call.
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Schaffran (GS)
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:39 AM
To: 'Robert Hosford'; sheherezada@gmail.com
Cc: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
That is an entirely different scenario.
The umbrella company itself is employing the resources regardless of them
being spread across the 26 different divisions. If they have a customer
that has come to them because of their gold status, that umbrella company
has those 5 CCIE's on hand to provide the service the customer expects from
a gold partner if needed.
That is actually how the company I work for operates. We have offices all
over the United States and employ over one hundres CCIE's. Most of our
reigons could not support Gold status on their own, but if they need a CCIE
resource for a customer, they can pull that resource from another region.
This is smart business.
Now consider a customer has gone to a company because of their gold status
and that gold partner has just rented CCIE numbers and does not have the
resources available. The customer would possible not get the service they
expected, the gold partner status would lose its value and eventually, the
CCIE would no longer be needed.
Look at the big picture. Just because renting CCIE numbers happens and is a
common practice in some areas, does not make it right. In the long run, it
will only hurt us.
I think we have said enough on this topic. If you still think there is no
problem with renting your CCIE number, then there is nothing stopping you.
That is just the kind of person you are.
Good luck with your future.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Hosford [mailto:rhosford@certifiednets.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:27 AM
To: sheherezada@gmail.com; Tony Schaffran (GS)
Cc: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
Tony,
Tell me, does the following scenario hurt your CCIE value? Is it ethical?
A Company has 26 separate divisions that all have different HR departments,
different CEOs, different internal payrolls departments, different state
business licenses. Yet the umbrella company claims gold status because
amongst the 26 division there are 5 CCIEs?
I think hurts your CCIE value. I think it is unethical because for Tax
purposes all 26 divisions are separate. In reality the divisions are 26
different companies. None of the individual companies can be a silver
partner on their own. I don't see you complaining about this kind of fraud.
This fraud hurts honest Gold Partners that will hire, train, and retain
skilled CCIEs.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
sheherezada@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Tony Schaffran (GS)
Cc: tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query.
Tony,
I think you are right, but in some countries Cisco itself distorts the
market. Have you heard of the unique Cisco concept named "country
grouping"? Say, put together three Eastern European countries and let
partners claim Gold status for each of them, even if they have zero
CCIEs in particular country, just because they happen to count up to
four in the other two altogether.
Mihai
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Tony Schaffran (GS)
<groupstudy@cconlinelabs.com> wrote:
> I am speaking to all CCIE's.
>
> This practice is simply unethical and serves to only bring down the value
of
> being a CCIE.
>
> If a company can just buy a number at a discount rate, then why would any
> company employ a CCIE at a premium rate?
>
> Think about it.
>
>
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
> www.cconlinelabs.com
> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: Tony Varriale [mailto:tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:37 AM
> To: 'Tony Schaffran (GS)'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
>
> I'm not sure which "a CCIE" you are speaking to. But, not only does
Cisco
> allow it, it happens.
>
> If you want something to worry about, check out Mr. Reese and his "don't
pay
> for licenses but Cisco should support the 3rd party market gear" mantra.
> That has way more wide spread impact on the community and economy.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tony
> Schaffran (GS)
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:58 PM
> To: 'Tony Varriale'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> This topic touches on basic ethics and I would hope a CCIE would have a
> higher standard.
>
> Is it right for a company to just buy a CCIE number to get the partner
> discounts and deceive their clients by claiming to be a gold partner or
such
> without really having the resources on hand?
>
> To me, this just seems fundamentally wrong.
>
>
> Tony Schaffran
> Network Analyst
> CCIE #11071
> CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
> NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
>
> www.cconlinelabs.com
> Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tony
> Varriale
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:48 AM
> To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> Yes it is. I would recommend not using that service you listed. You can
> easily find someone to take it if you are in a major metro area by asking
> around and possible even from your local Cisco office.
>
> Normal rates are $2-3k/month with a 12 month contract.
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darren Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:41 AM
> To: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: Unassigned CCIE query.
>
> Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an
> unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a
> position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent' out
my
> CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my present
> employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed skeptical of
it.
>
> Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if renting
> out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is
possible/legal
> and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how it works. I want
to
> get as much value out of my cert as possible.
>
> Thanks for ANY advice
>
> Darren
> #20078
>
>
>
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