From: Colin McNamara (colin@2cups.com)
Date: Sat Mar 01 2008 - 00:59:29 ARST
I wasn't saying that a CCIE can't start his or her own firms. I was
saying that the verbiage from Cisco is directed at the partner
submitting the channel partner application.
And no, a Quad CCIE cannot start their own firm, and fill all the role
requirements for Gold, or even Silver status. Last time I looked at the
channel partner application a CCIE could only hold 2 technical roles.
Quoted from cisco -
"Role sharing allows a single individual to fulfill similar roles across
2 or more specializations, based upon the specialization and the role.
Cisco has reduced the number of unique individuals required across
Express, Advanced, and Master Specializations, however, the total number
of individuals required to achieve each certification level remains
unchanged. A single qualified individual may fill only the AM role in up
to a total of 4 specializations. A single qualified individual may fill
only the SE role in up to a total of 2 specializations. A single
qualified individual may fill only the FE role in up to a total of 2
specializations. Individuals may not cross-populate between the AM, SE
and FE roles. SMB, CRM Express and VPN-Firewall specializations are not
limited by the above allocation rules. "
If however you sold your soul (CCIE #) to some other partner, you would
be restricted from using your own # on the channel partner application
for a period of 1 year, or until you harassed the Channel Account
Manager enough to file an exemption.
And yes, I have been there and done that. It is great that you are
starting your own firm, I applaud you for that, and wish you the best.
However be prepared for the harsh realization that when you are not at
the top of the food chain in the channel, life can be very very rough.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH http://www.colinmcnamara.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara"The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 21:25 -0500, Joseph Brunner wrote: > >you WILL make less when you finally go to a partner > > WTF? > > Doesn't anyone start their OWN company any more? > > Why can't a CCIE become a partner! > > As soon as my guy takes his cisco sales expert blah cert. > > We'll have advanced routing & advanced security status. > > One question? > > If you are a quad jedi can you yourself staff the 4 CCIE requirements of a > gold partner? > > Thanks > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Colin McNamara > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:21 PM > To: Cisco certification > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query. > > I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. But if you read the > verbiage it says that the Partner must have x number of employees full > time. There is not a penalty to you, the CCIE being used in that audit > submission. > > That being said, don't be retarded and sell your number. Not only does > it play games with the entire channel structure, you WILL make less when > you finally go to a partner, and they have to wait a year for your # to > come free. > > -- > Colin McNamara > (858)208-8105 > CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH > http://www.colinmcnamara.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara > > "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer" > > On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 16:53 -0700, Scott Vermillion wrote: > > Hey Darth, > > > > > > If you read the rules in the link that I posted up, it says that CCIEs > must > > be full-time employees/contractors that are dedicated *exclusively* to the > > partner in question. In other words, if you rent your number out for $2k > or > > $3k/month, $24k or $36k should be your total annual income! Check the > link. > > I don't think there's an ambiguity whatsoever, personally. Also, there's > a > > common sense test here. Why would Cisco allow/endorse this? Why would > they > > establish the 4 x CCIE requirement in the first place if they were going > to > > allow/endorse this practice whereby the CCIE do nothing at all except cash > a > > monthly check? Are Cisco's customers benefitting from this? Is Cisco's > > image in the marketplace being enhanced by this? Does this add value to > the > > Gold partner status and how paying customers perceive it? Who is > > benefitting from this and how does that tie to Cisco's bottom line? > > > > > > > > For me it's not so much a question of ethics (these are our own to > > interpret/implement in our daily lives). It's a question of devaluing the > > CCIE for the broader community in order to selfishly turn a few bucks for > > yourself. That's what I personally have the problem with. You want Gold > > status? Go hire four CCIEs at market rate. No shortcuts. No cheating. > No > > leaving four perfectly qualified CCIEs looking for work while this > > under-the-table exchange takes place between one dishonest partner and > four > > dishonest and/or unenlightened CCIEs. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: darth router [mailto:darklordrouter@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:37 PM > > To: Hash!!! > > Cc: Joseph Brunner; Scott Vermillion; Darren Johnson; Cisco certification > > Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query. > > > > > > > > When I read into it months ago, i think it said something to the extent > that > > you had to be "on" a full time contract. That doesn't mean you have to > work > > X amount of hours, but just be available. These things are not defined in > > the rules, so technically selling your number is not breaking any rules. > > People keep talking ethics, but until cisco says we can't do it, we aren't > > breaching any ethical boundaries. Why doesn't someone just submit a > support > > ticket and ask? > > > > DR > > > > On 2/29/08, Hash!!! <hashng@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Johnson, > > > > The bottom line is ...it's against the rules to sell your ID. You can work > > as a contractor in the company but not totally sell your id. Cisco > mentioned > > that at least 2 CCIEs must be Full time employees that leverage you to do > > that but not Implying selling the Number. > > > > HTH > > > > > > Hash > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > > > > Joseph Brunner > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:08 PM > > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification' > > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query. > > > > This doesn't really matter, and does not prove anything. > > > > The GOLD PARNTER can just pay someone say $50,000 on a W2 as a CCIE and > for > > that I agree to let them USE my number, and do at least 1 conference call > > with their clients each month. There would be no way to tell how many > hours > > the guy was there... > > > > That seems like fair use to me... How about you guys? > > > > Therefore, I am an employee. The deal is I'm never there, yet I still get > > paid. They get a CCIE's number for their roster and a low salary no sane > > CCIE would work for... > > > > ? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > > Scott Vermillion > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:51 PM > > To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification' > > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query. > > > > Hey Darren, > > > > The bottom line is that you cannot do what you're proposing. Last time > this > > came up, I (or somebody - maybe it wasn't be after all) went and found the > > audit rules for partner status. Those made very, very clear that any CCIE > > numbers being used for partner status had to be *full-time* regular > > employees and that (IIRC), the auditor could review payroll records, etc, > to > > validate that the CCIE was an active, daily participant in the business. > > > > I'm in the same situation. I work independently and thus my number > floats. > > I don't really want to work in a partner/reseller environment, though, so > > that aspect of my number holds no value. Oh well... > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > > Darren Johnson > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:41 AM > > To: 'Cisco certification' > > Subject: Unassigned CCIE query. > > > > Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an > > unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a > > position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent' out my > > CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my present > > employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed skeptical of it. > > > > Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if renting > > out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is possible/legal > > and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how it works. I want > to > > get as much value out of my cert as possible. > > > > Thanks for ANY advice > > > > Darren > > #20078 > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. 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