From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Sat Mar 01 2008 - 01:01:03 ARST
Used to be able to... But now the requirements are that you have to have
SEPARATE people. :) even Premiere partner requires three physically
distinct people.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:26 PM
To: 'Colin McNamara'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
>you WILL make less when you finally go to a partner
WTF?
Doesn't anyone start their OWN company any more?
Why can't a CCIE become a partner!
As soon as my guy takes his cisco sales expert blah cert.
We'll have advanced routing & advanced security status.
One question?
If you are a quad jedi can you yourself staff the 4 CCIE requirements of a
gold partner?
Thanks
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Colin McNamara
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:21 PM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. But if you read the
verbiage it says that the Partner must have x number of employees full time.
There is not a penalty to you, the CCIE being used in that audit submission.
That being said, don't be retarded and sell your number. Not only does it
play games with the entire channel structure, you WILL make less when you
finally go to a partner, and they have to wait a year for your # to come
free.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233,RHCE,GCIH http://www.colinmcnamara.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/colinmcnamara"The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"
On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 16:53 -0700, Scott Vermillion wrote: > Hey Darth, > > > If you read the rules in the link that I posted up, it says that CCIEs must > be full-time employees/contractors that are dedicated *exclusively* to > the partner in question. In other words, if you rent your number out > for $2k or > $3k/month, $24k or $36k should be your total annual income! Check the link. > I don't think there's an ambiguity whatsoever, personally. Also, > there's a > common sense test here. Why would Cisco allow/endorse this? Why > would they > establish the 4 x CCIE requirement in the first place if they were > going to > allow/endorse this practice whereby the CCIE do nothing at all except > cash a > monthly check? Are Cisco's customers benefitting from this? Is > Cisco's image in the marketplace being enhanced by this? Does this > add value to the > Gold partner status and how paying customers perceive it? Who is > benefitting from this and how does that tie to Cisco's bottom line? > > > > For me it's not so much a question of ethics (these are our own to > interpret/implement in our daily lives). It's a question of devaluing > the CCIE for the broader community in order to selfishly turn a few > bucks for yourself. That's what I personally have the problem with. > You want Gold status? Go hire four CCIEs at market rate. No shortcuts. No cheating. No > leaving four perfectly qualified CCIEs looking for work while this > under-the-table exchange takes place between one dishonest partner and four > dishonest and/or unenlightened CCIEs. > > > > Regards, > > > Scott > > > > > > > > From: darth router [mailto:darklordrouter@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:37 PM > To: Hash!!! > Cc: Joseph Brunner; Scott Vermillion; Darren Johnson; Cisco > certification > Subject: Re: Unassigned CCIE query. > > > > When I read into it months ago, i think it said something to the > extent that > you had to be "on" a full time contract. That doesn't mean you have to work > X amount of hours, but just be available. These things are not defined > in the rules, so technically selling your number is not breaking any rules. > People keep talking ethics, but until cisco says we can't do it, we > aren't breaching any ethical boundaries. Why doesn't someone just > submit a support > ticket and ask? > > DR > > On 2/29/08, Hash!!! <hashng@gmail.com> wrote: > > Johnson, > > The bottom line is ...it's against the rules to sell your ID. You can > work as a contractor in the company but not totally sell your id. > Cisco mentioned > that at least 2 CCIEs must be Full time employees that leverage you to > do that but not Implying selling the Number. > > HTH > > > Hash > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Joseph Brunner > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:08 PM > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification' > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query. > > This doesn't really matter, and does not prove anything. > > The GOLD PARNTER can just pay someone say $50,000 on a W2 as a CCIE > and for > that I agree to let them USE my number, and do at least 1 conference > call with their clients each month. There would be no way to tell how > many hours > the guy was there... > > That seems like fair use to me... How about you guys? > > Therefore, I am an employee. The deal is I'm never there, yet I still > get paid. They get a CCIE's number for their roster and a low salary > no sane CCIE would work for... > > ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Vermillion > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:51 PM > To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification' > Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query. > > Hey Darren, > > The bottom line is that you cannot do what you're proposing. Last > time this > came up, I (or somebody - maybe it wasn't be after all) went and found > the audit rules for partner status. Those made very, very clear that > any CCIE numbers being used for partner status had to be *full-time* > regular employees and that (IIRC), the auditor could review payroll > records, etc, to > validate that the CCIE was an active, daily participant in the business. > > I'm in the same situation. I work independently and thus my number floats. > I don't really want to work in a partner/reseller environment, though, > so that aspect of my number holds no value. Oh well... > > Regards, > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of Darren Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:41 AM > To: 'Cisco certification' > Subject: Unassigned CCIE query. > > Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an > unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a > position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent' > out my CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my > present employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed skeptical of it. > > Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if > renting out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is > possible/legal and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how > it works. I want to > get as much value out of my cert as possible. > > Thanks for ANY advice > > Darren > #20078 > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. 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