From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Wed Feb 27 2008 - 18:27:00 ARST
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Varriale
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:12 PM
To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Tony Schaffran (GS)'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
> I'm not saying I disagree here. I'm stating what's going on in the real
word.
Fair enough.
>Like John Chambers stating at Networkers he was going to fix the SBC
problem
>(which never happened). Like 3rd party reseller never selling the
>relicense. Like Cisco "auditing" partners? Like rampant cheating on the
>R/S lab but a lot of people keeping it hush-hush? Should I stop here?
I certainly hope cheating on the lab is not "rampant." Naturally there will
always be those who try and even some that succeed. But rampant sounds a
bit over the top to me, personally. Any hard numbers on that? Or some
inside knowledge that you are willing to throw out?
>Anyone been around Cisco a while on this list? :)
Touched my first Cisco router circa 1994 or 1995. Granted, I think I
propped a door open with it or something, but the point is I've been around
a while and I'm still not to that place where I think so little of the
channel partner program and what its requirements mean to each of us
personally. I think cheating in that program should be discouraged every
bit as much as cheating on the exams themselves, as either one has an
equally corrosive effect on what we've all worked so hard to achieve...
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:47 PM
To: 'Tony Varriale'; 'Tony Schaffran (GS)'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
Tony,
Read through the policy that I posted. If you can quote (in context) from
that document and make a case that Cisco endorses this sort of thing, I'll
be amazed (and might then suggest that you go into trying cases for a
living!). ;~)
Clearly it's not the intent of the program. The audit process exists to
prevent partners from cooking the books, which this basically amounts to.
Ultimately Cisco moves product based on how paying customers perceive the
whole gig. Those customers do not stand to benefit from a channel partner
having a bunch of "bought" CCIEs who are not in any way involved in the
daily operation of the business. Only the channel partners and the CCIEs
would stand to benefit from this sort of an arrangement. And ultimately,
it's neither of those two that keep the lights on out in San Jose (they may
help to do so, but only if there are paying clients willing to get their
checkbooks out for the products themselves)...
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Varriale
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:37 PM
To: 'Tony Schaffran (GS)'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
I'm not sure which "a CCIE" you are speaking to. But, not only does Cisco
allow it, it happens.
If you want something to worry about, check out Mr. Reese and his "don't pay
for licenses but Cisco should support the 3rd party market gear" mantra.
That has way more wide spread impact on the community and economy.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Schaffran (GS)
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:58 PM
To: 'Tony Varriale'; 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
This topic touches on basic ethics and I would hope a CCIE would have a
higher standard.
Is it right for a company to just buy a CCIE number to get the partner
discounts and deceive their clients by claiming to be a gold partner or such
without really having the resources on hand?
To me, this just seems fundamentally wrong.
Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
www.cconlinelabs.com
Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Varriale
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:48 AM
To: 'Darren Johnson'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Unassigned CCIE query.
Yes it is. I would recommend not using that service you listed. You can
easily find someone to take it if you are in a major metro area by asking
around and possible even from your local Cisco office.
Normal rates are $2-3k/month with a 12 month contract.
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darren Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:41 AM
To: 'Cisco certification'
Subject: Unassigned CCIE query.
Hey all. As per my post last week, I passed the lab and now have an
unassigned CCIE number (I paid for study and lab myself). I'm now in a
position where I'm weighing up my options. Is it possible to 'rent' out my
CCIE number to a company, whilst still remaining employed by my present
employer? I have heard of rentacert.com but people seemed skeptical of it.
Let me stress, I DO NOT WANT TO VIOLATE ANY CISCO POLICIES and if renting
out a cert is doing so, I WILL NOT DO IT. However, if it is possible/legal
and people out there do it, can they kindly explain how it works. I want to
get as much value out of my cert as possible.
Thanks for ANY advice
Darren
#20078
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