From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Fri Feb 22 2008 - 03:12:59 ARST
That's pretty depressing on the surface, but recent salary surveys that I've
read suggest the average CCIE across the USA earns something *fairly* close
to that "Software Engineer IV" salary. But those guys and gals in the
Fortune article are mostly concentrated in San Jose (over 16k at that site
alone!), which is arguably a pretty expensive place to live. My guess would
be that the average CCIE working at Cisco's SJ HQ earns quite a bit more
than the software weenies (but a guess it would only be). I guess I'm
thankful that the most prevalent position at Cisco was _not_ "CCIE IV"...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
nortic @hackermail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:04 AM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
When the most common job at cisco is a software engineer earning more than
the average ccie, you know there is no money in Cisco, perhaps its time to
up the silver/gold requirements to provide better paid jobs.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/6.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
<ccieteam@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
>
>
> I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
> infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and j2ee,
> etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these guys
make.
> Even working in IRAQ, etc.
>
> I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I even
> felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a good
> school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in Cisco".
> They are dead right.
>
> Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
> little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
everything,
> and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like the back of his
> hand.
>
> Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe this
is
> your lucky day...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Gary
> Duncanson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
> To: Alan Chng
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
>
> Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with lots
of
> different vendors as do many others on the list.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
> Subject: Moving away from Cisco
>
>
> > Fellow experts,
> >
> >
> > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to achieve
the
> > CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would anyone here
> > contemplate on moving to a role supporting another vendor (e.g. Alcatel,
> > Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role which requires in-house
> > training to learn the intricacies, proprietary protocols and CLI of the
> > vendor and be completely "isolated" from the Cisco world. I'm
discounting
> > Juniper since I tend to see them in the same market segment.
> >
> > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
opportunity?
> > Less competition? Another challenge?
> >
> > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started the
CCIE
> > journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time and developed
a
> > familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the resources, information,
> > forums/communities that are widely available today.
> >
> >
> > Any opinions will be much appreciated
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alan
> > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
>
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