From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Fri Feb 22 2008 - 03:49:01 ARST
It's kinda like the idea of refinancing your house... If you save $100 a
month in payments, but spend $8,000 in closing costs, how long does it take
you to get back to where you really are saving money?
if you go to any of those schools listed below, just exactly how much in
debt will you be in just getting out? And of course there's no guarantee
that Bingham McCutchen will hire you. So, while the fruit looks good, are
you sure it'll still taste good when you get there?
Scott
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nortic @hackermail.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:14 AM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Alan Chng'
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
41. Bingham McCutchen
What makes it so great?
They're proud of their elite grads: 72 from nearby Harvard Law, 24 from
Yale, and 20 from Stanford. They all start at $160,000 a year.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/snapshots/41.html
Maybe its time to quit the cisco thing and go back to school
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>, "'Alan Chng'"
> <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Moving away from Cisco
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:52:52 -0500
>
>
> I actually got the pleasure of meeting some financial field unix
> infrastructure engineers. They develop something like webshere and
> j2ee, etc. I can guarantee no CCIE san/voice/security makes what these
guys make.
> Even working in IRAQ, etc.
>
> I nearly fell off my chair when I heard what their bonus plan is. I
> even felt that tingling burning under my tongue I haven't felt since a
> good school yard fist fight... They said it best "there is no money in
Cisco".
> They are dead right.
>
> Every day I'm more and more convinced we are in a field where there is
> little distinction between a clown CCNP who comes in and breaks
> everything, and a CCIE who knows real world issues and rfc's both like
> the back of his hand.
>
> Oh, well, definitely diversify... and read up on those two... maybe
> this is your lucky day...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:03 AM
> To: Alan Chng
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Moving away from Cisco
>
> Why not?..variety is the spice of life. Besides I already work with
> lots of different vendors as do many others on the list.
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Chng" <ccieteam@gmail.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:23 PM
> Subject: Moving away from Cisco
>
>
> > Fellow experts,
> >
> >
> > Considering the amount of time and 'sacrifice' made to
> > achieve the CCIE and make our mark in the networking field, would
> > anyone here contemplate on moving to a role supporting another
> > vendor (e.g. Alcatel, Tellabs, Ericsson) ??. I'm referring to a role
> > which requires in-house training to learn the intricacies,
> > proprietary protocols and CLI of the vendor and be completely
> > "isolated" from the Cisco world. I'm discounting Juniper since I tend to
see them in the same market segment.
> >
> > Would anyone do it? And if so, what would be the factor? Better
opportunity?
> > Less competition? Another challenge?
> >
> > I find the switchover challenging as I believe a lot of us started
> > the CCIE journey more as a hobby and through the course of the time
> > and developed a familiarity to the IOS, not to mention the
> > resources, information, forums/communities that are widely available
today.
> >
> >
> > Any opinions will be much appreciated
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alan
> > CCNP/IP/SP, R&S due in May
>
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