From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Fri Feb 15 2008 - 01:29:18 ARST
All,
I'm not sure what this person means by with-holding
information.
I've met a lot of people who are trainers from this
list and even Scott (not been to his classes yet) but
I've met him and I've read a lot of his posts and
corresponded with him over the past couple of years
and it seems to me that the man and his co-workers
like Marvin and some of the others are always here
voluntarily answering questions and helping other
people achieve their certifications.
I know Mark Snow is a CCIE Voice Instructor for
IPExpert and while I have not spoken to him myself, I
do know that every instructor here seems to believe
that knowledge is the only thing you can give away and
still keep.
Not meaning to leave out other instructors on the
list, but this was aimed at IPExpert.
Now, I've been to classes where I did not feel I got a
lot of one-on-one attention too, but I cannot say yet,
that anyone "withheld" anything from me. Nope, I
don't think so.
--- Envuladu Tsaku <tenvuladu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I agree with you mike.I dont know scott myself ,but
> no matter how lame my mails are he always assists
> me.
>
>
> M_A_Jones@Dell.com wrote: Yeah,
>
> I think alluding that "experts" like Scott are
> withholding info from
> their students is completely oxymoronic.....lol
>
> If this were the case, why would he spend a great
> deal of his day;
> answering questions from "CCIE wannabees" who havent
> purchased his
> program...hmmmmmm ?!
>
>
>
> Michael Jones
> Network Engineer
> Global Network Operations
> Dell Inc. | Information Technology
> W. 512.723.3268 | C. 512.966.6908
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:25 AM
> To: jatinder.p.singh@bt.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
>
> Congratulations on passing... Congratulations on
> getting the
> assistance
> that you felt you needed there.
>
> But I cannot understand why you feel the need to
> dredge up the same
> false allegations that you have brought up on
> numerous boards (including
> this one) before. On other boards, I have sat back
> twiddling my fingers
> and just thinking of all the things I probably
> shouldn't say. But it
> goes on and on and on. You've posted to this board
> before. You've
> gotten responses on this board before. And then you
> disappear.
>
> Other than pointing out the obvious inaccuracies
> regarding your "lack of
> support" problems (check the archives for those who
> are bored and/or
> interested), and not mentioning the multiple
> personal phone calls you
> got from instructors including one who gave you a
> phone number while he
> was at his mother's house so you had a local call in
> the UK...
>
> But now we have something new here. The idea that
> anyone deliberately
> withheld information in order to prolong your
> studying? Cute.
> Definitely not accurate, but cute!
>
> I'll give you credit, because in the past you
> haven't responded to any
> offers to figure out what your perceived errors or
> support problems
> were.
> you simply post a message and run and hide. Or
> perhaps ran to study.
> But now you're being inventive. I will give you
> credit for that, at
> least you have made me laugh this morning.
>
> On the good note of things, as you go forward in
> your career I suppose
> we
> will at least be able to honestly say "It isn't
> IPexpert's fault". :)
>
> But I really wish you wouldn't bother spouting lies.
> It simply
> belittles your accomplishment here.
>
> Congratulations on passing.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
>
> A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning
> Credits!
>
> smorris@ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> http://www.ipexpert.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> jatinder.p.singh@bt.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:18 AM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Finally Pass Voice Lab on first attempt
>
> Dear All,
>
> Yesterday, I passed my ccie voice lab at brussels on
> my first attempt.
> Firstly I would like to thank all who helped me
> towards achieving this
> goal.
> Special thanks to Tarun pahuja, and the CCBootcamp
> team (Brad) who gave
> me personal support. Even though I did not buy any
> of their products
> they gave their personal contact details and helped
> me when I needed
> much help.
>
> I started this journey in early 2007, I cleared the
> written after
> reading all the recommended cisco press books. Then
> my company supported
> me in buying all the voice lab equipment which I
> setup in my office.
> They also approved for me to go on a bootcamp, and I
> choose to go to the
> IPexpert for 12 days.
>
> I bought all IPexpert products including COD and
> spent more then
> $10,000.
> However I found their bootcamp demoralizing and
> disappointing . I was
> discouraged and told that no one could pass the lab
> in the first
> attempt.
> I felt they were hiding things from me so as to
> prolong my studies so as
> to keep me lingering on.. Their support was
> terrible, their workbook had
> errors, little explanations and I found myself
> spending hours being
> frustrated when things would not work due to
> ommisions or things not
> explained properly. As a customer I expect a
> teaching product to be
> accurate and explain things so as to reinforce my
> technical abilities,
> but soon I discovered that their strategy was to
> hide things, to make me
> it difficult instead and to mentally discourage me
> so that I was
> guaranteed to fail on first attempt.
>
> However I kept positive and determined to pass this
> exam and made a
> challenge to pass it on my first attempt. I spent
> the next two months
> off work and studying 15-18 hours per day and
> working on my weaknesses.
> I consulted the cisco press books several times
> until I was comfortable
> with every technology and spent hours on-hands
> practising on all the
> technologies.
>
> From my experience the lab was not as hard as I
> thought it would be. I
> got back from Brussels today and saw the good news..
> now its time for a
> break and some celebration.
>
> Thanks to you all.....
>
> J P Singh
>
> CCIE (R & S , Voice)
>
>
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