From: Cacca Mucca (caccamucca@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Feb 05 2008 - 04:32:21 ARST
On 2/4/08, Santi <ccie@texas.net> wrote:
>
> One thing that a civilian contractor must realize is
> one, unless you already have your TS/SCI because of a
> DOD or military background, it is not likely the
> contractor will ever obtain it. A TS, yes. At the
> most. If the contract requires it. Anything above
> this is very highly improbable. For one thing, a
> TS/SCI is going to cost either the company or DOD over
> 150K. And this is "IF" the contractor already has a
> TS. Two, if the contractor is not a U.S. citizen and
> their background cannot be positively verified to DOD
> reqs, the contractor will not ever obtain a TS in the
> Dept of Defense, let alone a "secret" clearance.
>
> A TS can be granted interim, if the contractor already
> has a "secret" clearance, is a U.S citizen and has a
> verifiable background. But it takes no less than a
> year to obtain a full TS. Most likely, two years.
> Anything above this will take longer, "UNLESS", you are
> in the Department of Defense, working for one of the
> three letter agencies or in the military. I have seen
> DOD contractors working on certain projects be pushed
> through, when a full Bird or above signs off on the
> requirement for the contractor to have a high clearance
> and the need cannot be readily fulfilled by someone who
> already possesses such a clearance.
>
> There are exceptions to all of the above. But, for all
> practical purposes, those are as rare as squeezing a
> diamond out of your butt.
>
> Contractors with a "secret" clearance are pretty much a
> dime a dozen in the DOD and military. Not much
> leverage when it comes to salary negotiation. The
> reason being is that it is not that hard to obtain one,
> unless you have been naughty in the past, bad credit,
> bad divorce, too many traffic tickets, murder.......
>
> Santi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Cacca Mucca
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 6:50 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner
> Cc: shiran guez; Darby Weaver; EdmondsSG@aol.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
> If one has SSBI/TS and/or SCI/TS, I think $180K a year
> plus benefits is a
> good place to start.
>
> It takes so long for the investigation, you are in high
> demand.
>
> Last time I heard, it takes 3 to 5 years for the
> investigation.
>
>
> On 2/1/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Only Lockheed martin, Northrop Grumman, Computer
> Sciences Corp and other
> > juiced in firms can charge that much in DC. Do you
> think "John P.
> > Consultant" can ever bid on a contract at the
> Pentagon or Social Security
> > Administration?
> >
> > The requirements for SSBI/Top Secret Clearance, etc.
> all but
> > insurmountable
> > to small firms that just don't have a person on staff
> that can pass that
> > background check... oh, yes, and you'll fail it with
> a tax lien on your
> > credit file... I can assure you that...
> >
> > So good luck guys...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > shiran guez
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:49 AM
> > To: Darby Weaver
> > Cc: EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: (no subject)
> >
> > Just one thing to think about: 2 weeks ago I was in
> my first lab attempt
> > in
> > San Jose CA I stayed in Hotel 10 min from Cisco
> buildings the distance
> > between the hotel to the Airport was ~30mil just
> under 40 min drive the
> > taxi
> > took 120$ and I drought he had a CCIE, so in relation
> to that a hour fee
> > can
> > change based on location as you may be able to charge
> 120 - 150 per hr in
> > CA
> > but in DC you will be able to charge 250$ per hr or
> in India you will not
> > be
> > able to Charge more then 50$ per hr, so it is really
> a location dependent.
> >
> > Also another suggestion if you want to continue in
> your line of work IT do
> > not quit anything stick in your quest to achieve
> goals as it is not only
> > good for your prestige it is also show character and
> as we are in a
> > capitalistic world it also pay the rent. and it
> doesn't meter if you will
> > pursue Cisco or other (forgive me John Chambers) like
> Juniper (growing
> > quickly).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2008 5:16 PM, Darby Weaver
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This may be true.
> > >
> > > Jospeh Brunner quotes some nice rates and I guess
> as a
> > > trainer and as an outsourcer (I understand he might
> > > hire out soem of his students from time to time),
> then
> > > yes, contract rates may be exceptional - $150k or
> even
> > > $150.00 per hour in NY or elsewhere.
> > >
> > > However, it seems most CCIE and CCIE-level
> positions
> > > seems to get to about the $125-150k plus benefits
> and
> > > bonus.
> > >
> > > With that said I recall hearing of a CCIE in my own
> > > company working at a site for a about 1/2 the low
> > > figure.
> > >
> > > I know of a double CCIE personally who was a double
> > > and doing 80k till he got a few years of seasoning,
> > > and I'd have to check but with a CCIE RS/Security
> and
> > > signicicant VoIP experience working for a Gold
> Partner
> > > he may still be under $125k base.
> > >
> > >
> > > So... for most of us, I think $100-125k is going to
> be
> > > the rate for a while. Contract rates will differ
> > > somewhat depending on conditions. $150k may be the
> > > tops.
> > >
> > > Just a few observances...
> > >
> > > Personally myself and a coworker were speaking of
> this
> > > yesterday actually came to the conclusion that a
> CCIE
> > > certification pretty much qualifies one to
> volunteer
> > > for travel, and extensive travel at that at least
> for
> > > our company.
> > >
> > > Myself, I'm too close to quit the IE quest now
> however
> > > mypartner is fairly experienced and ties knots with
> > > the IOS on a daily basis... the last quote from
> TAC
> > > to him was "Is there any feature that you didn't
> > > use..."
> > >
> > > But newbies may have a harder time trying to
> justify
> > > the time and expense required to earn the CCIE,
> when
> > > there are so many easier roads to follow that
> require
> > > so much less dedication and regimen to achieve.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- EdmondsSG@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm not sure that having IE means $$$ in the
> market
> > > > place anymore - maybe
> > > > for people running bootcamps etc and the like -
> but
> > > > not in my world....
> > > >
> > > > I would think theres more money to be made in
> > > > advising others how to pass
> > > > than in say a bank isp etc ..
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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