From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Tue Feb 05 2008 - 07:50:29 ARST
Steady on..
I think some of the women on the list might object to this sort of jovial
banter.
Just a thought..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Luan Nguyen'" <luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com>; "'Santi'" <ccie@texas.net>
Cc: "'Cacca Mucca'" <caccamucca@gmail.com>; "'shiran guez'"
<shiranp3@gmail.com>; <EdmondsSG@aol.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:21 AM
Subject: RE: (no subject) - Security clearances
> One.
>
> But her head had to have still been in your lap when the cop got to your
> car
> door with his flashlight...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Luan
> Nguyen
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:49 PM
> To: Santi
> Cc: Cacca Mucca; Joseph Brunner; shiran guez; EdmondsSG@aol.com;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: (no subject) - Security clearances
>
> Geez,
> How many traffic tickets are too many?
>
> -lmn
>
> On Feb 3, 2008 9:08 PM, Santi <ccie@texas.net> wrote:
>
>> One thing that a civilian contractor must realize is
>> one, unless you already have your TS/SCI because of a
>> DOD or military background, it is not likely the
>> contractor will ever obtain it. A TS, yes. At the
>> most. If the contract requires it. Anything above
>> this is very highly improbable. For one thing, a
>> TS/SCI is going to cost either the company or DOD over
>> 150K. And this is "IF" the contractor already has a
>> TS. Two, if the contractor is not a U.S. citizen and
>> their background cannot be positively verified to DOD
>> reqs, the contractor will not ever obtain a TS in the
>> Dept of Defense, let alone a "secret" clearance.
>>
>> A TS can be granted interim, if the contractor already
>> has a "secret" clearance, is a U.S citizen and has a
>> verifiable background. But it takes no less than a
>> year to obtain a full TS. Most likely, two years.
>> Anything above this will take longer, "UNLESS", you are
>> in the Department of Defense, working for one of the
>> three letter agencies or in the military. I have seen
>> DOD contractors working on certain projects be pushed
>> through, when a full Bird or above signs off on the
>> requirement for the contractor to have a high clearance
>> and the need cannot be readily fulfilled by someone who
>> already possesses such a clearance.
>>
>> There are exceptions to all of the above. But, for all
>> practical purposes, those are as rare as squeezing a
>> diamond out of your butt.
>>
>> Contractors with a "secret" clearance are pretty much a
>> dime a dozen in the DOD and military. Not much
>> leverage when it comes to salary negotiation. The
>> reason being is that it is not that hard to obtain one,
>> unless you have been naughty in the past, bad credit,
>> bad divorce, too many traffic tickets, murder.......
>>
>> Santi
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Cacca Mucca
>> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 6:50 AM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: shiran guez; Darby Weaver; EdmondsSG@aol.com;
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: (no subject)
>>
>> If one has SSBI/TS and/or SCI/TS, I think $180K a year
>> plus benefits is a
>> good place to start.
>>
>> It takes so long for the investigation, you are in high
>> demand.
>>
>> Last time I heard, it takes 3 to 5 years for the
>> investigation.
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/08, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Only Lockheed martin, Northrop Grumman, Computer
>> Sciences Corp and other
>> > juiced in firms can charge that much in DC. Do you
>> think "John P.
>> > Consultant" can ever bid on a contract at the
>> Pentagon or Social Security
>> > Administration?
>> >
>> > The requirements for SSBI/Top Secret Clearance, etc.
>> all but
>> > insurmountable
>> > to small firms that just don't have a person on staff
>> that can pass that
>> > background check... oh, yes, and you'll fail it with
>> a tax lien on your
>> > credit file... I can assure you that...
>> >
>> > So good luck guys...
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > shiran guez
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:49 AM
>> > To: Darby Weaver
>> > Cc: EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: (no subject)
>> >
>> > Just one thing to think about: 2 weeks ago I was in
>> my first lab attempt
>> > in
>> > San Jose CA I stayed in Hotel 10 min from Cisco
>> buildings the distance
>> > between the hotel to the Airport was ~30mil just
>> under 40 min drive the
>> > taxi
>> > took 120$ and I drought he had a CCIE, so in relation
>> to that a hour fee
>> > can
>> > change based on location as you may be able to charge
>> 120 - 150 per hr in
>> > CA
>> > but in DC you will be able to charge 250$ per hr or
>> in India you will not
>> > be
>> > able to Charge more then 50$ per hr, so it is really
>> a location dependent.
>> >
>> > Also another suggestion if you want to continue in
>> your line of work IT do
>> > not quit anything stick in your quest to achieve
>> goals as it is not only
>> > good for your prestige it is also show character and
>> as we are in a
>> > capitalistic world it also pay the rent. and it
>> doesn't meter if you will
>> > pursue Cisco or other (forgive me John Chambers) like
>> Juniper (growing
>> > quickly).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 30, 2008 5:16 PM, Darby Weaver
>> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > This may be true.
>> > >
>> > > Jospeh Brunner quotes some nice rates and I guess
>> as a
>> > > trainer and as an outsourcer (I understand he might
>> > > hire out soem of his students from time to time),
>> then
>> > > yes, contract rates may be exceptional - $150k or
>> even
>> > > $150.00 per hour in NY or elsewhere.
>> > >
>> > > However, it seems most CCIE and CCIE-level
>> positions
>> > > seems to get to about the $125-150k plus benefits
>> and
>> > > bonus.
>> > >
>> > > With that said I recall hearing of a CCIE in my own
>> > > company working at a site for a about 1/2 the low
>> > > figure.
>> > >
>> > > I know of a double CCIE personally who was a double
>> > > and doing 80k till he got a few years of seasoning,
>> > > and I'd have to check but with a CCIE RS/Security
>> and
>> > > signicicant VoIP experience working for a Gold
>> Partner
>> > > he may still be under $125k base.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So... for most of us, I think $100-125k is going to
>> be
>> > > the rate for a while. Contract rates will differ
>> > > somewhat depending on conditions. $150k may be the
>> > > tops.
>> > >
>> > > Just a few observances...
>> > >
>> > > Personally myself and a coworker were speaking of
>> this
>> > > yesterday actually came to the conclusion that a
>> CCIE
>> > > certification pretty much qualifies one to
>> volunteer
>> > > for travel, and extensive travel at that at least
>> for
>> > > our company.
>> > >
>> > > Myself, I'm too close to quit the IE quest now
>> however
>> > > mypartner is fairly experienced and ties knots with
>> > > the IOS on a daily basis... the last quote from
>> TAC
>> > > to him was "Is there any feature that you didn't
>> > > use..."
>> > >
>> > > But newbies may have a harder time trying to
>> justify
>> > > the time and expense required to earn the CCIE,
>> when
>> > > there are so many easier roads to follow that
>> require
>> > > so much less dedication and regimen to achieve.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- EdmondsSG@aol.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I'm not sure that having IE means $$$ in the
>> market
>> > > > place anymore - maybe
>> > > > for people running bootcamps etc and the like -
>> but
>> > > > not in my world....
>> > > >
>> > > > I would think theres more money to be made in
>> > > > advising others how to pass
>> > > > than in say a bank isp etc ..
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
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