From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 10 2008 - 12:50:36 ARST
Having a live teacher, and that forced structure on you is beneficial, but
you can't really pass the lab anyway just by going to a bootcamp. You gotta
put in those massive learning hours. Joe, you work for yourself, so have the
benefit of jugging your work hours and still making enough $$ to get by. A
lot of these guys have full time slave jobs. In the event an employer coughs
up that cash, you are getting paid time on the clock and most importantly
focused time to learn without interruptions. That's the only real advantage
I see. Why do only a small percentage of Cisco pros attempt the lab in the
first place? I think it's the same problem that plagues our nation; people
are too damn lazy to take the initiative to better themselves.
Does going to a bootcamp give you any more edge than using CODs/workbooks?
On 1/9/08, Luan Nguyen <luan.m.nguyen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If i have to pay for it myself, then i wouldn't take bootcamps. But if my
> company is paying for it, then why not?
> For me, the bootcamp was good. It taught me lots of things such as to use
> ping script, to draw out things, how to do redistribution with loops...etc
> In my bootcamp, noone ask questions like that! The instructor asked those
> and we try to answer them.
> Maybe for people study hard like yourself :) you don't need bootcamp, but
> for lazy idiot like me, it molds you! it was the first time i did an 8
> hours lab! But up until now, I rarely use the site, and haven't look at
> the
> bootcamp materials since...ugh.
> Is getting the CCIE really that hard? well, not if you are well prepared.
> Am i well prepared? Time will tell my friend...time will tell.
>
> -lmn
>
> On Jan 9, 2008 11:38 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't mean to be a stickler here, but why do people take bootcamps?
> >
> > I don't mean to deprive any senior multi-CCIE's of their income... but
> > compared to what is going on the world (quantative financial trading
> > models,
> > programmers building genome analyzing software to look for diseases,
> > cryptanalysts breaking hugo chavez's emails, etc.) is getting the CCIE
> > really that hard?
> >
> > Why not just learn the material, come here, ask questions, go back and
> > learn
> > some more and then pass!
> >
> > I don't think I could stand being in a room where someone raises their
> > hand
> > and asks "what a DHCP option?" or "Why do we use route reflectors?" for
> 2
> > seconds, I don't know about you guys!
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:02 AM
> > To: Hoogen; Wael Mahmood
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: 'Narbik Kocharians bootcamp feedbak ?
> >
> > Well, I've heard of at least 4 passing after having
> > attended his bootcamps so... maybe worth a good look
> > in the archives.
> >
> > I've seen some of his work and it seems simple and to
> > the point.
> >
> > So much that I've got my own travel reservations made
> > to attend in Pasadena in February.
> >
> > Contact me offline if you want to know more.
> >
> > Later...
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Darby
> > --- Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Damn...where were you all these days... It's been
> > > going on and on . So much
> > > good feedback have been given about Narbik and you
> > > missed it. Just search
> > > the archives....
> > >
> > > -Hoogen
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2008 6:47 AM, Wael Mahmood
> > > <wmahmood@prosylab.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > X Does any one attend the boot camp R&S with
> > > 'Narbik Kocharians'
> > > >
> > > > X Hope anyone can tell me about him and if he is
> > > excellent or not, lab
> > > >
> > > > X Pls tell me all what u know about.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Wael
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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