From: Alexei Monastyrnyi (alexeim@orcsoftware.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 19:17:05 ART
Narbik, you can say that again, mate!
If one knows the ropes, it doesn't matter what number he/she has...
Speaking numbers, in Sweden it was 91 CCIEs when I passed a year ago,
now it is 88... CCIE brain drain is less likely here, so some ppl just
abandoned it for some reasons... :-)
A.
on 12/5/2007 10:44 PM Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> Guys check out the stats:
>
> *Total of Worldwide CCIEs:* *15658* (last updated 11.14.2007)
> Besides how many doctors or lawyers do we have? Are they all worried? Why
> would you worry about a thing like that? Forget these things and focus on
> your studies, if every Med student thought the way you guys are thinking,
> the Med fac. will be empty.
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> On 12/5/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> It's back..
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>> The 'fear' is back in town. How many have passed this year?
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>> To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
>>
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>>> Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
>>> here on GS.
>>>
>>> There were at least another 25 since the people got
>>> their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
>>>
>>> So...
>>>
>>> The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
>>>
>>> What is truly significant is the number of first time
>>> passers and the number of people who have achieved
>>> multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
>>> couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
>>> some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
>>> they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
>>> have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
>>> after achieving the 1st CCIE.
>>>
>>> Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
>>> nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
>>> every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
>>>
>>> The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
>>> once was and it is not because the material is any
>>> less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
>>> times since its inception. I still recall the
>>> written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
>>> took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
>>> who write the books and who use a lot of these
>>> technologies on a daily basis.
>>>
>>>
>>> But hey there are a lot of good materials available
>>> these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
>>> Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
>>> lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
>>>
>>> But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
>>> compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
>>> in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
>>>
>>> I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
>>> planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
>>> Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
>>> Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
>>> can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
>>> and working very hard to get past this little monster.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
>>> overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
>>>
>>> Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
>>> lab candidates.
>>>
>>> And let's not forget many of the people studying who
>>> are passing did not wake up last week and start
>>> studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
>>>
>>> Caslow's checklists helped.
>>>
>>> NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
>>>
>>> Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
>>> Step-by-Step a reality.
>>>
>>> Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
>>> capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
>>> trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
>>> offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
>>> the famous Soup to Nuts product.
>>>
>>> H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
>>> manner he prepares his students.
>>>
>>> Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
>>> on one is what I here.
>>>
>>> Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
>>> who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
>>> Middle Eastern region.
>>>
>>> FastLane and another training company in Europe are
>>> famous for their programs.
>>>
>>> Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
>>> recall.
>>>
>>> InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
>>> Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
>>> possibilities are exceptional.
>>>
>>> Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
>>> trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
>>>
>>> NLI offers their executive study program.
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
>>> guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
>>> issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
>>>
>>> A similar school in India does the same. At least one
>>> or two.
>>>
>>> The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
>>> and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
>>> Schools.
>>>
>>> There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
>>>
>>>
>>> I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
>>> lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
>>> people who have trouble speaking English or reading
>>> English are passing a test with objectives in very
>>> explicit English.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
>>> company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
>>> a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
>>> about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
>>> distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
>>> passing faster than MCSE's.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
>>> Dynamips and PEMU got released.
>>>
>>> Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
>>> a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
>>> understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
>>> labs and coming back at will.
>>>
>>> What's more those same images are shared and so the
>>> work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
>>> electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
>>> filters can stop this now.
>>>
>>> So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
>>> to get started.
>>>
>>> And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
>>> and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
>>> They buy it and try to pass "GO".
>>>
>>> As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
>>> there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
>>> commands... per lab.
>>>
>>> Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
>>> help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
>>> break.
>>>
>>> I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
>>> every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
>>> somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
>>> to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
>>> passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
>>> multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
>>>
>>> So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
>>> passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
>>>
>>> Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
>>> per day as well.
>>>
>>> So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
>>> month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
>>> permanent trend.
>>>
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>>> ==============================================
>>> There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
>>> ==============================================
>>>
>>> Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
>>> configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
>>> 2008. And the terminal server too...
>>>
>>> It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
>>> perceived value.
>>>
>>> And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
>>> nice but given the amount of current candidates -
>>> there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
>>> if it were two days in length again.
>>>
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>>> Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
>>> 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
>>> the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
>>> So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
>>> new) as newbies.
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>>> --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Experts,
>>>> As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
>>>> noticed that numbers 19499
>>>> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
>>>> Cisco turning out 20
>>>> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
>>>> sequentially - maybe this
>>>> is not the case? Anybody know?
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>>>>
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