From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 06 2007 - 04:34:46 ART
YEP.
On 12/5/07, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim@orcsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Narbik, you can say that again, mate!
>
> If one knows the ropes, it doesn't matter what number he/she has...
> Speaking numbers, in Sweden it was 91 CCIEs when I passed a year ago,
> now it is 88... CCIE brain drain is less likely here, so some ppl just
> abandoned it for some reasons... :-)
>
> A.
>
> on 12/5/2007 10:44 PM Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> > Guys check out the stats:
> >
> > *Total of Worldwide CCIEs:* *15658* (last updated 11.14.2007)
> > Besides how many doctors or lawyers do we have? Are they all worried?
> Why
> > would you worry about a thing like that? Forget these things and focus
> on
> > your studies, if every Med student thought the way you guys are
> thinking,
> > the Med fac. will be empty.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/5/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> It's back..
> >>
> >> The 'fear' is back in town. How many have passed this year?
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> >> To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:17 PM
> >> Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
> >>
> >>
> >>> Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
> >>> here on GS.
> >>>
> >>> There were at least another 25 since the people got
> >>> their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
> >>>
> >>> So...
> >>>
> >>> The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
> >>>
> >>> What is truly significant is the number of first time
> >>> passers and the number of people who have achieved
> >>> multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
> >>> couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
> >>> some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
> >>> they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
> >>> have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
> >>> after achieving the 1st CCIE.
> >>>
> >>> Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
> >>> nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
> >>> every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
> >>>
> >>> The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
> >>> once was and it is not because the material is any
> >>> less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
> >>> times since its inception. I still recall the
> >>> written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
> >>> took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
> >>> who write the books and who use a lot of these
> >>> technologies on a daily basis.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But hey there are a lot of good materials available
> >>> these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
> >>> Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
> >>> lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
> >>>
> >>> But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
> >>> compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
> >>> in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
> >>> planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
> >>> Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
> >>> Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
> >>> can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
> >>> and working very hard to get past this little monster.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
> >>> overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
> >>>
> >>> Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
> >>> lab candidates.
> >>>
> >>> And let's not forget many of the people studying who
> >>> are passing did not wake up last week and start
> >>> studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
> >>>
> >>> Caslow's checklists helped.
> >>>
> >>> NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
> >>>
> >>> Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
> >>> Step-by-Step a reality.
> >>>
> >>> Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
> >>> capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
> >>> trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
> >>> everyone.
> >>>
> >>> Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
> >>> offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
> >>> the famous Soup to Nuts product.
> >>>
> >>> H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
> >>> manner he prepares his students.
> >>>
> >>> Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
> >>> on one is what I here.
> >>>
> >>> Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
> >>> who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
> >>> Middle Eastern region.
> >>>
> >>> FastLane and another training company in Europe are
> >>> famous for their programs.
> >>>
> >>> Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
> >>> recall.
> >>>
> >>> InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
> >>> Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
> >>> possibilities are exceptional.
> >>>
> >>> Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
> >>> trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
> >>>
> >>> NLI offers their executive study program.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
> >>> guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
> >>> issue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
> >>>
> >>> A similar school in India does the same. At least one
> >>> or two.
> >>>
> >>> The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
> >>> and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
> >>> Schools.
> >>>
> >>> There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
> >>> lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
> >>> people who have trouble speaking English or reading
> >>> English are passing a test with objectives in very
> >>> explicit English.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
> >>> company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
> >>> a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
> >>> about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
> >>> distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
> >>> passing faster than MCSE's.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
> >>> Dynamips and PEMU got released.
> >>>
> >>> Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
> >>> a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
> >>> understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
> >>> labs and coming back at will.
> >>>
> >>> What's more those same images are shared and so the
> >>> work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
> >>> electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
> >>> filters can stop this now.
> >>>
> >>> So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
> >>> to get started.
> >>>
> >>> And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
> >>> and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
> >>> They buy it and try to pass "GO".
> >>>
> >>> As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
> >>> there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
> >>> commands... per lab.
> >>>
> >>> Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
> >>> help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
> >>> break.
> >>>
> >>> I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
> >>> every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
> >>> somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
> >>> to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
> >>> passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
> >>> multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
> >>>
> >>> So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
> >>> passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
> >>>
> >>> Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
> >>> per day as well.
> >>>
> >>> So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
> >>> month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
> >>> permanent trend.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ==============================================
> >>> There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
> >>> ==============================================
> >>>
> >>> Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
> >>> configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
> >>> 2008. And the terminal server too...
> >>>
> >>> It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
> >>> perceived value.
> >>>
> >>> And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
> >>> nice but given the amount of current candidates -
> >>> there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
> >>> if it were two days in length again.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
> >>> 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
> >>> the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
> >>> So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
> >>> new) as newbies.
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> >>> --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Experts,
> >>>> As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
> >>>> noticed that numbers 19499
> >>>> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
> >>>> Cisco turning out 20
> >>>> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
> >>>> sequentially - maybe this
> >>>> is not the case? Anybody know?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy
> >>>> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.MicronicsTraining.com Sr. Technical Instructor www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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