From: sheherezada@gmail.com
Date: Thu Dec 06 2007 - 14:32:46 ART
Not that fast, mate.
I live in a country where we are only 18 CCIEs. We were 17 at the
beginning of the year and Cisco makes desperate efforts to increase
this number (say by offering free bootcamps), just because the
CCIE/total population ratio in my country is one per million and the
revenue ratio is 5 million dollars per CCIE. My previous employer
said to me that they expect a burst of CCIEs by the end of the year
(so that I don't have reasons to ask a raise just because I passed the
lab) - well, we are still 18.
Mihai
On Dec 5, 2007 10:17 PM, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
> here on GS.
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> There were at least another 25 since the people got
> their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
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> So...
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> The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
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> What is truly significant is the number of first time
> passers and the number of people who have achieved
> multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
> couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
> some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
> they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
> have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
> after achieving the 1st CCIE.
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> Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
> nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
> every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
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> The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
> once was and it is not because the material is any
> less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
> times since its inception. I still recall the
> written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
> took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
> who write the books and who use a lot of these
> technologies on a daily basis.
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> But hey there are a lot of good materials available
> these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
> Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
> lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
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> But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
> compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
> in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
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> I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
> planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
> Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
> Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
> can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
> and working very hard to get past this little monster.
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> Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
> overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
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> Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
> lab candidates.
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> And let's not forget many of the people studying who
> are passing did not wake up last week and start
> studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
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> Caslow's checklists helped.
>
> NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
>
> Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
> Step-by-Step a reality.
>
> Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
> capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
> trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
> everyone.
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> Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
> offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
> the famous Soup to Nuts product.
>
> H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
> manner he prepares his students.
>
> Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
> on one is what I here.
>
> Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
> who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
> Middle Eastern region.
>
> FastLane and another training company in Europe are
> famous for their programs.
>
> Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
> recall.
>
> InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
> Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
> possibilities are exceptional.
>
> Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
> trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
>
> NLI offers their executive study program.
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>
> Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
> guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
> issue.
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> The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
>
> A similar school in India does the same. At least one
> or two.
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> The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
> and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
> Schools.
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> There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
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> I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
> lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
> people who have trouble speaking English or reading
> English are passing a test with objectives in very
> explicit English.
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> So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
> company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
> a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
> about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
> distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
> passing faster than MCSE's.
>
>
> Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
> Dynamips and PEMU got released.
>
> Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
> a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
> understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
> labs and coming back at will.
>
> What's more those same images are shared and so the
> work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
> electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
> filters can stop this now.
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> So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
> to get started.
>
> And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
> and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
> They buy it and try to pass "GO".
>
> As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
> there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
> commands... per lab.
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> Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
> help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
> break.
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> I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
> every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
> somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
> to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
> passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
> multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
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> So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
> passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
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> Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
> per day as well.
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> So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
> month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
> permanent trend.
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> There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
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> Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
> configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
> 2008. And the terminal server too...
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> It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
> perceived value.
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> And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
> nice but given the amount of current candidates -
> there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
> if it were two days in length again.
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> Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
> 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
> the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
> So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
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> --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Experts,
> > As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
> > noticed that numbers 19499
> > and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
> > Cisco turning out 20
> > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
> > sequentially - maybe this
> > is not the case? Anybody know?
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> > Cindy
> > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
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