From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 06 2007 - 15:49:15 ART
808 in the UK now. Im pretty sure it was only about 700 back in 2002. That's
20 CCIE's a year in GB since then so really just a steady increase over
here. US number increases seem steady too really. Dramatic rises in the far
east in recent years mind.
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From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
> Not that fast, mate.
>
> I live in a country where we are only 18 CCIEs. We were 17 at the
> beginning of the year and Cisco makes desperate efforts to increase
> this number (say by offering free bootcamps), just because the
> CCIE/total population ratio in my country is one per million and the
> revenue ratio is 5 million dollars per CCIE. My previous employer
> said to me that they expect a burst of CCIEs by the end of the year
> (so that I don't have reasons to ask a raise just because I passed the
> lab) - well, we are still 18.
>
> Mihai
>
> On Dec 5, 2007 10:17 PM, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
>> here on GS.
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>> There were at least another 25 since the people got
>> their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
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>> So...
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>> The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
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>> What is truly significant is the number of first time
>> passers and the number of people who have achieved
>> multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
>> couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
>> some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
>> they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
>> have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
>> after achieving the 1st CCIE.
>>
>> Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
>> nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
>> every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
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>> The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
>> once was and it is not because the material is any
>> less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
>> times since its inception. I still recall the
>> written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
>> took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
>> who write the books and who use a lot of these
>> technologies on a daily basis.
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>> But hey there are a lot of good materials available
>> these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
>> Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
>> lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
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>> But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
>> compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
>> in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
>>
>> I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
>> planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
>> Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
>> Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
>> can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
>> and working very hard to get past this little monster.
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>> Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
>> overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
>>
>> Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
>> lab candidates.
>>
>> And let's not forget many of the people studying who
>> are passing did not wake up last week and start
>> studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
>>
>> Caslow's checklists helped.
>>
>> NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
>>
>> Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
>> Step-by-Step a reality.
>>
>> Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
>> capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
>> trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
>> everyone.
>>
>> Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
>> offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
>> the famous Soup to Nuts product.
>>
>> H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
>> manner he prepares his students.
>>
>> Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
>> on one is what I here.
>>
>> Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
>> who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
>> Middle Eastern region.
>>
>> FastLane and another training company in Europe are
>> famous for their programs.
>>
>> Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
>> recall.
>>
>> InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
>> Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
>> possibilities are exceptional.
>>
>> Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
>> trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
>>
>> NLI offers their executive study program.
>>
>>
>> Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
>> guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
>> issue.
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>> The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
>>
>> A similar school in India does the same. At least one
>> or two.
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>> The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
>> and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
>> Schools.
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>> There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
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>> I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
>> lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
>> people who have trouble speaking English or reading
>> English are passing a test with objectives in very
>> explicit English.
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>> So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
>> company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
>> a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
>> about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
>> distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
>> passing faster than MCSE's.
>>
>>
>> Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
>> Dynamips and PEMU got released.
>>
>> Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
>> a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
>> understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
>> labs and coming back at will.
>>
>> What's more those same images are shared and so the
>> work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
>> electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
>> filters can stop this now.
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>> So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
>> to get started.
>>
>> And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
>> and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
>> They buy it and try to pass "GO".
>>
>> As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
>> there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
>> commands... per lab.
>>
>> Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
>> help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
>> break.
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>> I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
>> every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
>> somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
>> to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
>> passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
>> multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
>>
>> So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
>> passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
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>> Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
>> per day as well.
>>
>> So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
>> month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
>> permanent trend.
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>> There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
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>> Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
>> configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
>> 2008. And the terminal server too...
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>> It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
>> perceived value.
>>
>> And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
>> nice but given the amount of current candidates -
>> there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
>> if it were two days in length again.
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>> Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
>> 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
>> the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
>> So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
>> new) as newbies.
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>> --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Experts,
>> > As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
>> > noticed that numbers 19499
>> > and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
>> > Cisco turning out 20
>> > CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
>> > sequentially - maybe this
>> > is not the case? Anybody know?
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> > cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
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