From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Dec 06 2007 - 01:11:47 ART
Mark,
You are so right. And there are some Yahoo Groups
dedicated to consulting as well.
Mathew Stroebe, I believe. I'm butchering the name I
am sure.
But the book is no longer on the market but can be
found used on places like www.half.com and other used
book sites.
Worth its weight in gold.
Karl Palachuk wrote a book called Service Agreements
for SMB Consultants as well that is excellent for
contractors.
Their used to be a magazine called "Contract
Professional" and it was the coolest for a lot of
stuff like we are talking about.
Anyway for about 5-7 years I collected tons of
references, books, templates, and you name it for
starting the consulting practice.
I use them whenever a contract opportunity avails
itself once in a while.
Hey an extra 10-20k per year is not a bad addition for
weekends and evenings for just 1 or 2 engagements per
year most years. Pays for toys and things like the
CCIE Lab.
--- Mark Mahan <mmahan@caprock.com> wrote:
> There is a pretty good book call "From Serf to
> Surfer: Becoming a
> Network Consultant" that is a great read for anyone
> getting into
> consulting. I've thought about it so I bought and
> read it but I am
> still an 8 to 5'r (well, global company and in the
> only NE group so
> whenever to whenever really). It doesn't cover
> rates as a specific
> number but covers some strategy to gain good rates,
> look like your rates
> are better than competition and keep the customer on
> a retainer. It
> covers a lot of other angles too. Dress, talk,
> taxes, etc.
>
>
>
> Mark Mahan
> Network Engineer
> -------------------------------
> CapRock Communications
> 4400 S. Sam Houston Parkway E.
> Houston, Texas 77048
> Office: 832 668 2528
> mmahan@caprock.com
> www.caprock.com
>
>
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> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> darth router
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:08 PM
> To: Durkin, Michael (MED US)
> Cc: Ben Holko; Joseph Brunner; Dane Newman; Darby
> Weaver;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE typical contractor rates
>
> I knew a gal that made about 50k doing hair. She had
> all certs of hair
> certifications. She worked at a salon, and she gets
> 50% of every
> procedure,
> the salon gets the other half. So I suppose if she
> worked for herself
> and
> could bring in her own business, she makes as much
> as most CCIEs :) I
> know a
> guy who does nails. He has a mega huge house. He is
> doing better than me
> :P
>
> DR
>
> On 12/5/07, Durkin, Michael (MED US)
> <michael.durkin@siemens.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > How much does it cost, and how much training does
> it take to cut hair?
> > Maybe I am in the wrong line of work.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Ben Holko
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:28 PM
> > To: Joseph Brunner; Dane Newman; Darby Weaver
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> darklordrouter@gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE typical contractor rates
> >
> > > "Hire an "expert" to do your hair in NYC. You
> will pay more than
> $125
> > per hour. Now tell me what you're network is
> worth."
> >
> > I like it a lot :)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Joseph Brunner
> > Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2007 1:05 PM
> > To: 'Dane Newman'; 'Darby Weaver'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> darklordrouter@gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE typical contractor rates
> >
> > >I am from USA New york and I am thinking of
> putting rates at 100.00
> h/r
> > for
> > >work done by recruiters and 125 h/r to possibly
> 150 h/r depending on
> > the
> > >company and type of work for direct work. Are
> these reasonable
> rates?
> >
> > My rates exactly friend. 9/10 people just say yes.
> Plus Get about 25%
> > more
> > for O.T. Rate (after 6pm or weekends/holidays).
> >
> > I usually just say "I require the greater of $100
> per hour or 85% of
> the
> > billing rate". If they aren't billing at least
> $125 per hour to their
> > client
> > I give them my "hiring an expert" in NYC speech.
> >
> > "Hire an "expert" to do your hair in NYC. You will
> pay more than $125
> > per
> > hour. Now tell me what you're network is worth."
> >
> > Joseph "NYC"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Dane
> > Newman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:10 PM
> > To: Darby Weaver
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> darklordrouter@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE typical contractor rates
> >
> > I am getting into the consulting game also.
> >
> > The problem is I can consult on a bunch of
> different things. Anything
> > Microsoft (active directory, exchange 2k3 and 2k7,
> sharepoint ect) and
> > Citrix where the bulk of my exp lies plus Some
> Cisco now.
> >
> > Do people who are consulting charge different
> rates depending on the
> > type of
> > job they are doing? I could imagion being asked
> to do something as
> > simple
> > as patch an OS to something more technical to
> design and build a whole
> > Network/Systems infrastructure.
> >
> > I am from USA New york and I am thinking of
> putting rates at 100.00
> h/r
> > for
> > work done by recruiters and 125 h/r to possibly
> 150 h/r depending on
> the
> > company and type of work for direct work. Are
> these reasonable rates?
> >
> >
> > On 12/5/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Darth,
> > >
> > > I bill about $125.00 per hour for consulting +
> price
> > > of materials (up front).
> > >
> > > My contracts state:
> > >
> > > Materials due 100% at the inception of a
> contract.
> > >
> > > Expected Labor is 1/2 down on start of project
> and
> > > then 1/2 at the end of project for smaller
> projects.
> > >
> > > These types of contracts usually encompass about
> a
> > > $2000.00 project to about a $20,000 project.
> Actual
> > > work per project is about 2 days to about 8-10
> days
> > > tops. Sometimes I spread them out a bit.
> > >
> > > Time and Materials for long-term projects.
> > >
> > > Now, I'm not a CCIE either.
> > >
> > > I expect your solo rates will vary as many can
> tell
> > > you from this group.
> > >
> > > And note, I am from the famously underpaid
> south...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey guys/gals,
> > > >
> > > > I have just been getting back into the work
> game. I
> > > > am curious about
> > > > contracting. I have a steady client that pays
> me
> > > > about 100 an hour for a set
> > > > amount of hours per mo. I suppose I could
> probably
> > > > get a much better rate if
> > > > I wanted to push it. I work direct for them,
> and was
> > > > not recruited through a
> > > > recruiter. It's my first consulting gig. When
> you
> > > > take jobs through
> > > > recruiters, how much can you expect to make?
> How
> > > > much do these guys make on
> > > > top of your wage? I am not after any real
> specific
> > > > answers here.
> > > >
> > > > Generally speaking, how much do yall bill for?
> Do
> > > > you bill less if you are
> > > > garanteed more hours, maybe even months of
> work?
> > > >
> > > > DR
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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