From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 18:48:17 ART
Quite right Narbik. I stopped worrying about the 'fear' years ago. Funny how
it pops up on the list in a cyclical manner. I recall similar things
mentioned in 2001 on GS.
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Narbik Kocharians
To: Gary Duncanson
Cc: Darby Weaver ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
Guys check out the stats:
Total of Worldwide CCIEs: 15658 (last updated 11.14.2007)
Besides how many doctors or lawyers do we have? Are they all worried? Why
would you worry about a thing like that? Forget these things and focus on your
studies, if every Med student thought the way you guys are thinking, the Med
fac. will be empty.
On 12/5/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
It's back..
The 'fear' is back in town. How many have passed this year?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; < ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
> Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
> here on GS.
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> There were at least another 25 since the people got
> their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
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> So...
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> The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
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> What is truly significant is the number of first time
> passers and the number of people who have achieved
> multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
> couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
> some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
> they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
> have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
> after achieving the 1st CCIE.
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> Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
> nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
> every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
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> The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
> once was and it is not because the material is any
> less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
> times since its inception. I still recall the
> written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
> took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
> who write the books and who use a lot of these
> technologies on a daily basis.
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> But hey there are a lot of good materials available
> these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
> Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
> lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
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> But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
> compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
> in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
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> I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
> planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
> Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
> Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
> can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
> and working very hard to get past this little monster.
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> Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
> overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
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> Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
> lab candidates.
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> And let's not forget many of the people studying who
> are passing did not wake up last week and start
> studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
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> Caslow's checklists helped.
>
> NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
>
> Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
> Step-by-Step a reality.
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> Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
> capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
> trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
> everyone.
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> Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
> offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
> the famous Soup to Nuts product.
>
> H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
> manner he prepares his students.
>
> Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
> on one is what I here.
>
> Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
> who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
> Middle Eastern region.
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> FastLane and another training company in Europe are
> famous for their programs.
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> Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
> recall.
>
> InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
> Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
> possibilities are exceptional.
>
> Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
> trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
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> NLI offers their executive study program.
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> Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
> guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
> issue.
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> The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
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> A similar school in India does the same. At least one
> or two.
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> The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
> and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
> Schools.
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> There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
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> I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
> lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
> people who have trouble speaking English or reading
> English are passing a test with objectives in very
> explicit English.
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> So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
> company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
> a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
> about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
> distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
> passing faster than MCSE's.
>
>
> Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
> Dynamips and PEMU got released.
>
> Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
> a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
> understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
> labs and coming back at will.
>
> What's more those same images are shared and so the
> work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
> electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
> filters can stop this now.
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> So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
> to get started.
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> And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
> and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
> They buy it and try to pass "GO".
>
> As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
> there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
> commands... per lab.
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> Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
> help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
> break.
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> I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
> every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
> somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
> to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
> passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
> multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
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> So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
> passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
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> Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
> per day as well.
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> So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
> month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
> permanent trend.
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> There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
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> Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
> configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
> 2008. And the terminal server too...
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> It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
> perceived value.
>
> And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
> nice but given the amount of current candidates -
> there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
> if it were two days in length again.
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> Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
> 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
> the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
> So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
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> --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Experts,
>> As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
>> noticed that numbers 19499
>> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
>> Cisco turning out 20
>> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
>> sequentially - maybe this
>> is not the case? Anybody know?
>>
>> Cindy
>> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
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