From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 18:44:42 ART
Guys check out the stats:
*Total of Worldwide CCIEs:* *15658* (last updated 11.14.2007)
Besides how many doctors or lawyers do we have? Are they all worried? Why
would you worry about a thing like that? Forget these things and focus on
your studies, if every Med student thought the way you guys are thinking,
the Med fac. will be empty.
On 12/5/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
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> It's back..
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> The 'fear' is back in town. How many have passed this year?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
>
>
> > Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who post
> > here on GS.
> >
> > There were at least another 25 since the people got
> > their magical email notices on Saturday morning.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > The numbers are going and going very fast it seems.
> >
> > What is truly significant is the number of first time
> > passers and the number of people who have achieved
> > multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some CCIE's take a
> > couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've read
> > some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6 months or so
> > they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's and now
> > have triple or quad status in less than 6 months or so
> > after achieving the 1st CCIE.
> >
> > Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials available for
> > nearly every imaginable scenario. With Dynamips on
> > every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
> >
> > The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic" as it
> > once was and it is not because the material is any
> > less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps magnified many
> > times since its inception. I still recall the
> > written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two who first
> > took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these were guys
> > who write the books and who use a lot of these
> > technologies on a daily basis.
> >
> >
> > But hey there are a lot of good materials available
> > these days. Lots of excellent instructors as well.
> > Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on other
> > lists and forums spread over the wide Internet.
> >
> > But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines) is short
> > compared to the number of passing CCIE's we are seeing
> > in total who are unannounced here, but are elsewhere.
> >
> > I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of this
> > planet where CCIE Study groups are to be found, from
> > Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China, Korea,
> > Japan, Germany, and so many many places in between. I
> > can guarantee you there are a lot of people studying
> > and working very hard to get past this little monster.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course the Asian study lists/groups are working
> > overtime producing CCIE level candidates as well.
> >
> > Dubai (the city of technology) is passing quite a few
> > lab candidates.
> >
> > And let's not forget many of the people studying who
> > are passing did not wake up last week and start
> > studying. Many have worked for years to earn a CCIE.
> >
> > Caslow's checklists helped.
> >
> > NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
> >
> > Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
> > Step-by-Step a reality.
> >
> > Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
> > capitalized on the idea and made nearly every CCIE
> > trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
> > everyone.
> >
> > Word is Narbik will be offering a similar video
> > offering very soon as well based on his workbooks and
> > the famous Soup to Nuts product.
> >
> > H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing in the
> > manner he prepares his students.
> >
> > Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2 CCIE's
> > on one is what I here.
> >
> > Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple CCIE's)
> > who has a team of CCIE's who train people in the
> > Middle Eastern region.
> >
> > FastLane and another training company in Europe are
> > famous for their programs.
> >
> > Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as I
> > recall.
> >
> > InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach and with
> > Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine the
> > possibilities are exceptional.
> >
> > Tarun is training people and having a Quintuple as a
> > trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
> >
> > NLI offers their executive study program.
> >
> >
> > Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers a
> > guaranteed program of study - step by step - issue by
> > issue.
> >
> >
> > The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day program.
> >
> > A similar school in India does the same. At least one
> > or two.
> >
> > The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional it seems
> > and there must be at least a dozen more notable CCIE
> > Schools.
> >
> > There are a lot more where all these guys come from.
> >
> >
> > I gotta feel bad, English is my native language. The
> > lab is in English, and can be tricky at that, and
> > people who have trouble speaking English or reading
> > English are passing a test with objectives in very
> > explicit English.
> >
> >
> >
> > So with probably over about 100 companies (and each
> > company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and some have
> > a lot more) giving training at least once a week to
> > about 5-7 students on average per class, not counting
> > distance learners; is it any wonder that CCIE's are
> > passing faster than MCSE's.
> >
> >
> > Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or was before
> > Dynamips and PEMU got released.
> >
> > Now a CCIE can train for little more than the cost of
> > a laptop. And do so many times more efficiently as I
> > understand it. Saving configs and "images" of entire
> > labs and coming back at will.
> >
> > What's more those same images are shared and so the
> > work of one person is shared by all - INSTANTLY. It's
> > electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS and
> > filters can stop this now.
> >
> > So a candidate need not even know how to setup a rack
> > to get started.
> >
> > And many are able just to learn their configs by heart
> > and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto ticket.
> > They buy it and try to pass "GO".
> >
> > As I type a full racks' completed configs... and if
> > there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20 pages of
> > commands... per lab.
> >
> > Not too much for a gifted and motivated person on a
> > help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to get a big
> > break.
> >
> > I expect we will see a saturation point where nearly
> > every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st time
> > somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs are soon
> > to follow the same fate. After all the guys who
> > passed easily are done with one CCIE, they will seek
> > multiple CCIE status - or at least a percentage will.
> >
> > So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97 people
> > passing a given lab on that day - even 1st timers.
> >
> > Now if there are more seats, there will be more CCIE's
> > per day as well.
> >
> > So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say 100 per
> > month in previous years, is only the beginning of a
> > permanent trend.
> >
> >
> > ==============================================
> > There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
> > ==============================================
> >
> > Personally - I'd say bring back the physical rack
> > configuration and the IP Scheming as the new theme for
> > 2008. And the terminal server too...
> >
> > It's the only way left to keep the lab(s) worth its
> > perceived value.
> >
> > And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format would be
> > nice but given the amount of current candidates -
> > there will be little loss of newly minted CCIE's even
> > if it were two days in length again.
> >
> >
> > Of course this is from a person taking the lab for a
> > 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of salt and
> > the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as well.
> > So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which is not
> > new) as newbies.
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> > --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Experts,
> >> As I study and watch the messages go by, I have
> >> noticed that numbers 19499
> >> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same day. Is
> >> Cisco turning out 20
> >> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned numbers
> >> sequentially - maybe this
> >> is not the case? Anybody know?
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
> >>
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.MicronicsTraining.com Sr. Technical Instructor www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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