From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Wed Dec 05 2007 - 21:49:06 ART
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: "Gary Duncanson" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
> Actually,
>
> The point is that it makes for a wonderful marketing
> opportunity.
>
>
> --- Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Quite right Narbik. I stopped worrying about the
>> 'fear' years ago. Funny how
>> it pops up on the list in a cyclical manner. I
>> recall similar things
>> mentioned in 2001 on GS.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Narbik Kocharians
>> To: Gary Duncanson
>> Cc: Darby Weaver ; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
>>
>>
>> Guys check out the stats:
>>
>> Total of Worldwide CCIEs: 15658 (last
>> updated 11.14.2007)
>>
>> Besides how many doctors or lawyers do we have?
>> Are they all worried? Why
>> would you worry about a thing like that? Forget
>> these things and focus on your
>> studies, if every Med student thought the way you
>> guys are thinking, the Med
>> fac. will be empty.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/5/07, Gary Duncanson
>> <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> It's back..
>>
>> The 'fear' is back in town. How many have passed
>> this year?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
>> To: <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; <
>> ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT: magic numbers
>>
>>
>> > Actually Cindy you only refer to the ones who
>> post
>> > here on GS.
>> >
>> > There were at least another 25 since the
>> people got
>> > their magical email notices on Saturday
>> morning.
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > The numbers are going and going very fast it
>> seems.
>> >
>> > What is truly significant is the number of
>> first time
>> > passers and the number of people who have
>> achieved
>> > multiple CCIE's in as many months. Some
>> CCIE's take a
>> > couple of years to attain a single CCIE, I've
>> read
>> > some who achieve their first CCIE in 3-6
>> months or so
>> > they claim. Others who attain multiple CCIE's
>> and now
>> > have triple or quad status in less than 6
>> months or so
>> > after achieving the 1st CCIE.
>> >
>> > Let's face it - with COD/VOD materials
>> available for
>> > nearly every imaginable scenario. With
>> Dynamips on
>> > every aspiring CCNA's desktop...
>> >
>> > The CCIE is not going to be as "black magic"
>> as it
>> > once was and it is not because the material is
>> any
>> > less difficult, indeed, it has perhaps
>> magnified many
>> > times since its inception. I still recall
>> the
>> > written testimonies of a CCIE trainer or two
>> who first
>> > took the 1-Day lab and failed... and these
>> were guys
>> > who write the books and who use a lot of these
>> > technologies on a daily basis.
>> >
>> >
>> > But hey there are a lot of good materials
>> available
>> > these days. Lots of excellent instructors as
>> well.
>> > Many are on this list. Some are elsewhere on
>> other
>> > lists and forums spread over the wide
>> Internet.
>> >
>> > But their lists of passing CCIE's (combines)
>> is short
>> > compared to the number of passing CCIE's we
>> are seeing
>> > in total who are unannounced here, but are
>> elsewhere.
>> >
>> > I, personally, keep alert in a few corners of
>> this
>> > planet where CCIE Study groups are to be
>> found, from
>> > Poland, to Saudi Arabia, to Pakistan, China,
>> Korea,
>> > Japan, Germany, and so many many places in
>> between. I
>> > can guarantee you there are a lot of people
>> studying
>> > and working very hard to get past this little
>> monster.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course the Asian study lists/groups are
>> working
>> > overtime producing CCIE level candidates as
>> well.
>> >
>> > Dubai (the city of technology) is passing
>> quite a few
>> > lab candidates.
>> >
>> > And let's not forget many of the people
>> studying who
>> > are passing did not wake up last week and
>> start
>> > studying. Many have worked for years to earn
>> a CCIE.
>> >
>> > Caslow's checklists helped.
>> >
>> > NLI/Narbik's Soup to Nuts helped.
>> >
>> > Jeremy and his CBT Nuggets made CCIE Video
>> > Step-by-Step a reality.
>> >
>> > Scott Morris, the Brians, and Netmasterclass
>> > capitalized on the idea and made nearly every
>> CCIE
>> > trick a quick 30 minutes to 4 hours away from
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> > Word is Narbik will be offering a similar
>> video
>> > offering very soon as well based on his
>> workbooks and
>> > the famous Soup to Nuts product.
>> >
>> > H.U has his techniques that are simply amazing
>> in the
>> > manner he prepares his students.
>> >
>> > Cisco Expert hand prepares their students - 2
>> CCIE's
>> > on one is what I here.
>> >
>> > Kuwar Bhutt is also a notable CCIE (multiple
>> CCIE's)
>> > who has a team of CCIE's who train people in
>> the
>> > Middle Eastern region.
>> >
>> > FastLane and another training company in
>> Europe are
>> > famous for their programs.
>> >
>> > Global Knowledge is worldwide as is Skyline as
>> I
>> > recall.
>> >
>> > InternetworkExpert offered a similar approach
>> and with
>> > Brian Dennis as your co-pilot, I can imagine
>> the
>> > possibilities are exceptional.
>> >
>> > Tarun is training people and having a
>> Quintuple as a
>> > trainer can never ever be a bad thing.
>> >
>> > NLI offers their executive study program.
>> >
>> >
>> > Paul Borghese, the owner of this list, offers
>> a
>> > guaranteed program of study - step by step -
>> issue by
>> > issue.
>> >
>> >
>> > The Cathay School of China offers an 18 day
>> program.
>> >
>> > A similar school in India does the same. At
>> least one
>> > or two.
>> >
>> > The Wolfe School is China is also exceptional
>> it seems
>> > and there must be at least a dozen more
>> notable CCIE
>> > Schools.
>> >
>> > There are a lot more where all these guys come
>> from.
>> >
>> >
>> > I gotta feel bad, English is my native
>> language. The
>> > lab is in English, and can be tricky at that,
>> and
>> > people who have trouble speaking English or
>> reading
>> > English are passing a test with objectives in
>> very
>> > explicit English.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So with probably over about 100 companies (and
>> each
>> > company has on average at least 3 CCIE's and
>> some have
>> > a lot more) giving training at least once a
>> week to
>> > about 5-7 students on average per class, not
>> counting
>> > distance learners; is it any wonder that
>> CCIE's are
>> > passing faster than MCSE's.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hey it is a law of diminishing returns. Or
>> was before
>> > Dynamips and PEMU got released.
>> >
>> > Now a CCIE can train for little more than the
>> cost of
>> > a laptop. And do so many times more
>> efficiently as I
>> > understand it. Saving configs and "images" of
>> entire
>> > labs and coming back at will.
>> >
>> > What's more those same images are shared and
>> so the
>> > work of one person is shared by all -
>> INSTANTLY. It's
>> > electronic and the byte travels fast - no QoS
>> and
>> > filters can stop this now.
>> >
>> > So a candidate need not even know how to setup
>> a rack
>> > to get started.
>> >
>> > And many are able just to learn their configs
>> by heart
>> > and if they can afford a seat aka the lotto
>> ticket.
>> > They buy it and try to pass "GO".
>> >
>> > As I type a full racks' completed configs...
>> and if
>> > there are say 10 pages of commands or even 20
>> pages of
>> > commands... per lab.
>> >
>> > Not too much for a gifted and motivated person
>> on a
>> > help desk somewhere to learn quick enough to
>> get a big
>> > break.
>> >
>> > I expect we will see a saturation point where
>> nearly
>> > every lab candidate passes the lab on the 1st
>> time
>> > somewhere in the 2008 year. The exotic labs
>> are soon
>> > to follow the same fate. After all the guys
>> who
>> > passed easily are done with one CCIE, they
>> will seek
>> > multiple CCIE status - or at least a
>> percentage will.
>> >
>> > So if there are 100 seats, there will be 97
>> people
>> > passing a given lab on that day - even 1st
>> timers.
>> >
>> > Now if there are more seats, there will be
>> more CCIE's
>> > per day as well.
>> >
>> > So right now at 25 CCIE's per day versus say
>> 100 per
>> > month in previous years, is only the beginning
>> of a
>> > permanent trend.
>> >
>> >
>> > ==============================================
>> > There is a solution and a relatively easy one:
>> > ==============================================
>> >
>> > Personally - I'd say bring back the physical
>> rack
>> > configuration and the IP Scheming as the new
>> theme for
>> > 2008. And the terminal server too...
>> >
>> > It's the only way left to keep the lab(s)
>> worth its
>> > perceived value.
>> >
>> > And somehow maybe fit into a one-day format
>> would be
>> > nice but given the amount of current
>> candidates -
>> > there will be little loss of newly minted
>> CCIE's even
>> > if it were two days in length again.
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course this is from a person taking the lab
>> for a
>> > 4th trip, so take my words with a grain of
>> salt and
>> > the ideas mentioned would likely affect me as
>> well.
>> > So I'd be as much the victim of my idea (which
>> is not
>> > new) as newbies.
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > --- cindy tanner <cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Experts,
>> >> As I study and watch the messages go by, I
>> have
>> >> noticed that numbers 19499
>> >> and 19519 seem to have occurred on the same
>> day. Is
>> >> Cisco turning out 20
>> >> CCIEs per day? I assumed Cisco assigned
>> numbers
>> >> sequentially - maybe this
>> >> is not the case? Anybody know?
>> >>
>> >> Cindy
>> >> cindy.a.tanner@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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