From: Brian Dennis (bdennis@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Mon Nov 26 2007 - 20:21:53 ART
You surely won't be at the bottom of the heap as I've read some of your
posts over on the Cisco-VoIP mailing list ;-)
Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
Internetwork Expert, Inc.
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
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Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
>----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
Date: Mon, November 26, 2007 15:03
From: "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip@gmail.com>
> I'm hoping I'm not a the bottom of the heap. I installed and daily
> manage my own deployment of CM / Unity / IPCCx / berbee / xmedius /
> etc. I have a fairly good understanding of those products. now my
> weak points are going to be Unity express, CME, gatekeeper type stuff.
> the things I don't deal with or deal with on a regular basis.
>
> I also help my school districts with there deployments so I feel like
> I'm not going to be asking a lot about how this or that works.
>
> I'm sure that lab books would be a good way to star with rack time as
> I don't have enough to make up a good testing rack.
>
> But thanks to all for the input.
>
> I think my play is going to be practice the lab books and then a month
> or so before the test take the boot camp.
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott (newbie) (not .5.... not 1 or 2..... and certianly not 4)
>
> On Nov 26, 2007 2:42 PM, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
wrote:
> > We give students the Class-on-Demand version of the bootcamp free of
> > charge prior to attending the live class (online or onsite) so that
> > they can go through it at their own pace before coming to class. By
> > watching the CoD prior to attending it works out really well for the
> > student because they come in preloaded with questions ;-). In 5 days
> > there is just so much to cover and getting that head start really helps
> > ensure you get as much as possible out of those 5 days. We also allow
> > reseats on the live onsite and live online versions no matter which
> > version you attended first and we've never turned away anyone asking
> > for a reseat.
> >
> > With our 12 day bootcamps we throw in the self-paced E2E free of charge
> > just so everyone is up to speed prior to attending. Personally I don't
> > want anyone coming to a 12 day class that isn't ready and is why we
> > throw in $3000 worth of material free of charge. Students who haven't
> > at least watched the IEATC CoD and done 3 or 4 full-scale workbook labs
> > are advised to push their bootcamp dates back.
> >
> > As far as the original question goes sometimes being exposed to
> > everything too early isn't always as helpful as it may seem. It's
> > important that someone has a solid foundation at a CCIE level prior to
> > attending the "bootcamp". This is also the whole reason we offer the
> > Advanced Technologies CoDs so that people don't go to a bootcamp
> > unprepared. A bootcamp should be attended with you feel you are 80-90%
> > of the way there and want to have a really good shot at passing but not
> > when you are basically just starting your preparation.
> >
> > If someone insists on planning to take a bootcamp twice before attending
> > the real lab this is what I would recommend. Get a guarantee from the
> > training company in writing before purchasing the class that you can get
> > the seats on the class dates you want. Most guarantees have fine print
> > so don't wait to find out about it when you are 60 days from your lab
> > date and they don't have any "reseats" available. Then during the first
> > class just sit in the back and listen to the instructor while working on
> > the lab material. Because you are a little behind you may need the
> > extra lab time during the lectures to keep up. Questions to ask should
> > related to how to verify or troubleshoot but not "can you explain how X
> > or Y works?". Then before attending the class for the second time lab
> > up all of the scenarios again to help improve your speed and load up on
> > additional questions for when you get in class. Then during your second
> > class sit right up on the front row and start firing out this good
> > quality questions like a machine gun ;-) Spend the extra time you have
> > during the labs since you should be able to do them quicker than the
> > alloted time discussing topics with instructor. If you did this I would
> > say you got your money's worth for sure ;-)
> >
> > Lastly some training companies have resellers and you can sometimes get
> > a better deal by going through the reseller or playing the reseller
> > against the primary training company ;-) We've seen this happen a
> > couple times.
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: RE: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> >
> > Date: Mon, November 26, 2007 13:01
> > From: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> >
> > > Well, that's two professional instructors who have come out in favor of
> > > going early and going often! So I think it's official that the
other other
> > > Scott's approach is a wise one.
> > >
> > > Question: Not having been through a bootcamp yet, are they
structured such
> > > that someone new to lab prep would not be able to drag down those
who are
> > > days or weeks away from sitting the lab? I'm guessing so since you
guys
> > who
> > > teach are in favor of this, which is a bit of a surprise to me,
honestly...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> > > To: 'Scott Vermillion'; 'Scott Voll'; 'Cisco certification'
> > > Subject: RE: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> > >
> > > An interesting view, but look at it a different way....
> > >
> > > Some companies (at least IPexpert) has a resit policy. Not that I
advocate
> > > using that, but IF circumstances dictate...
> > >
> > > Take a bootcamp to absorb information AND to get a week (or two?)
away from
> > > the office/normal work in order to concentrate on your studies.
Take the
> > > lab when its coming up. If you still happen to not pass it, retake the
> > > bootcamp. You'll gain more from it the second time around anyway,
and have
> > > a better perspective for which things you need more help on.
> > >
> > > A lot depends on how much time your company is willing to give in the
> > > long-run.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
#4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M
> > > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > >
> > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits!
> > >
> > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Scott Vermillion
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:38 PM
> > > To: 'Scott Voll'; 'Cisco certification'
> > > Subject: RE: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> > >
> > > Back July or August, I scheduled my lab for Feb '08. At the time, I
> > thought
> > > it was a looooong way out. Now I feel like that date is coming at me
> > like a
> > > freight train!
> > >
> > > I wouldn't personally waste valuable study time sitting through a
bootcamp
> > > unless I could really absorb what was being churned out. So if you're
> > > pretty strong across the board, go for it. But otherwise don't
waste that
> > > week or two. Just get started and hope for one shot at the bootcamp
and
> > > likewise one shot at the lab!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Scott Voll
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:02 PM
> > > To: Cisco certification
> > > Subject: game plan for CCIE LAB -Voice
> > >
> > > OK--
> > >
> > > I got my Lab test scheduled for May 30, 2008 (holy cow that's a long
ways
> > > out).
> > >
> > > I'm looking at taking the IPExpert bootcamp and they also offer a
guarantee
> > > that if you don't pass you can retake OR take it again before the test.
> > I'm
> > > thinking about taking the bootcamp now.......
> > > study, study, study, then take the bootcamp again before the test.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
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